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greetings and salutations fellow true

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seekers and welcome back to the midnight

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hour

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my name is stephen cambion also known as

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the mystery man bringing you another

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now tonight my friends we're going to be

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talking about another great mystery

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because that's what we do here at the

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midnight hour

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but not just a great mystery

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two great mysteries really

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because tonight my friends we're gonna

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be talking about the legendary bigfoot

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sasquatch but not just bigfoot we're

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going to be discussing bigfoot and

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bigfoot's possible relation

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to ufos and extraterrestrial spacecraft

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what do you think

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is bigfoot

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an unknown primate running around in the

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forests of the pacific northwest in

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is it a ghost or some sort of

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interdimensional creature

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or like my guest tonight do you believe

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that bigfoot might possibly be either an

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extraterrestrial himself

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be somehow related to the

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i'm not sure what to think myself my

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friends but i invite you tonight on an

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incredible journey

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is bigfoot an extraterrestrial

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tonight my friends my guests will be

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probably the world's foremost expert on

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connecting bigfoot to ufos and

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extraterrestrial spacecraft his name is

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stan gordon

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now he's been on the show before because

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he also happens to be an expert on the

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kecksburg ufo incident but tonight we're

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going to be discussing all of his

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research into bigfoot and bigfoot's

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possible relationship with ufos and

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extraterrestrial spacecraft

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as stan gordon this expert researcher

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cracked the case and actually proven

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that bigfoot has some relation

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to ufos and extraterrestrial spacecraft

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ladies and gentlemen i think this is an

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intriguing twist on the whole bigfoot

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legend

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it's a seldom thought about thing

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what if

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that hairy beast in that forest is

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working for other extraterrestrials was

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created by other extraterrestrials or is

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somehow the servitor race to the greys

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or some other master extraterrestrial

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that employs bigfoot to do

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does this sound a little too far out for

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you because it kind of does for me

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but once you get into it

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that some of the proof of this

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and tonight my friends we're going to

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fully explore this with one of the

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world's most leading experts into this

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on the legend of bigfoot

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now i have to tell you my fellow true

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seeking friends

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that when i first heard

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this kind of theory that bigfoot was an

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extraterrestrial

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you know i guess that all bigfoots are

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extraterrestrials

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or that bigfoot was somehow related to

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the extraterrestrial phenomenon or ufo

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phenomenon

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i got to tell you the truth

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my [\h__\h] meter went off the charts

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because i kind of think this is two

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strange

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things

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that don't really have a relationship to

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so i started to look into it and then i

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bigfoot is mentioned in

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probably three or four different books

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that i have on ufos

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and so i went back to my books and sort

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you know rifled through everything going

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what is the connection here

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and then i found what the connection was

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because it turns out my friends

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that

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is a flap

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of bigfoot sightings there is

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also in connection to that

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bigfoot sighting flap a flap of ufo

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sightings in other words

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if a bunch of people start seeing

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bigfoot in a certain area

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either the same or separate people

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seeing ufos and lights in the sky and

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strange aerial phenomenon

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and it's at the same time that people

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are seeing bigfoot

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people will see

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lights in the sky or some kind of

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aerial phenomenon or unknown flying

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objects in the sky and on the same day

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or night see a bigfoot creature

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and that my friends is why

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bigfoot is mentioned in several

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different ufo books that i had

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you know you know you go reading through

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this ufo book and and you know they

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a bigfoot creature

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you know around their home in the same

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time frame that they saw ufo the day

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incredible that somebody would see two

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incredibly legendary things like a ufo

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that's the case and we have incredibly

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you know credible witnesses that are

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i decided that i can't just let the

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hear something like a theory like this

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different guests that we've you know we

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about alien abductions and alien hybrids

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and we're going to be broadcasting that

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soon

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and honestly that was one thing again

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that i thought this is crazy and there's

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no proof of any of this but i have to

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say i came away from the interview

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thinking

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i'm a little too skeptical sometimes so

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little harder at keeping an open mind

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evidence is there then you can't

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not right to do that you have to keep an

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these things and that's the point of the

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abundance of evidence that links

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bigfoot and ufos

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the same

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kind of evidence that i have been

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struggling with here to go through

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now i always joke about going down a

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rabbit hole and if you want to go down a

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true rabbit hole of crazy paranormal

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phenomenon then i invite you to google

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search bigfoot and ufos or bigfoot

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extraterrestrials and you're going to

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find all kinds of witness testimony and

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case studies and all kinds of

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strangeness

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it's amazing how many things you can

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find that relate bigfoot to ufos or

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extraterrestrials

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having heard about this theory and then

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uh also you know starting to look into

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one person's name kept coming up and

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that is my guest tonight

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and i thought wow that's that's pretty

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awesome because we've had him on the

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show before so maybe i could reach out

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to him and get him to talk about this

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theory

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that uh he's one of my favorite

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investigators because he's kind of

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fact-based and also he's out there on

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the ground like some people are what i

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call armchair investigators you know

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they just go on the internet and then

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they form their opinions and they start

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talking about things like they have some

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firsthand knowledge of it

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that's really not what my guest tonight

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stan gordon is

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an a field investigator this guy goes

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out and interviews people when these

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you know goes through the fields that

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they saw the bigfoot in and

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gets drawings of the craft and documents

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everything

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stan gordon has been doing this

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longer than i've been alive so i have

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incredible amount of respect for him and

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admiration for the things that he's

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tried to do and for the research that

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he's tried to bring to the forefront

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and share with people

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this guy's got a hotline that just like

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it's a phone that just rings in his

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house and if people see some ufo or a

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bigfoot or some kind of paranormal thing

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including ghosts or any really anything

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paranormal

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they can call his hotline and

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stan gordon will go out to their house

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and interview them and talk to them

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about it and try to get them some kind

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of answers about what's been going on

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and to be honest with you

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in this world that we have right now in

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the in the paranormal field it just

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seems to me that we have an incredible

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amount of storytelling [\h__\h] artists

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and i hate that

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listen i don't want to get negative

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but we just had

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a mufon conference last year for 2017

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where they had

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a conference on the secret space program

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and i gotta tell you that after having

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john ventry who is another person that i

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respect a lot on my show

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i really truly considered becoming a

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member of mufon and trying to become a

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field investigator maybe or get deeper

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into mufon but after i saw what they

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just did having uh i don't know a

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storytelling session instead of a real

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ufo conference this is supposed to be a

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scientific organization and they had

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these people stand there and tell these

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stories

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so basically mufon just took everybody's

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money because to be a member of mufon

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you got to contribute a little bit of

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money that's how the system works and

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hey listen i'm fine with kicking a

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couple of bucks for an organization that

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i think is doing good

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but if they're going to take my couple

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of bucks and pay a bunch of storytellers

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at a so-called scientific conference on

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ufology

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i got a problem with that

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some people

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to be lecturers at their conference

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for 2017

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you know i know i'm a little behind but

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i'm still catching up here on it because

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it's so shocking to me that they did

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this that it took me some time to really

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die think about it and digest it

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they took

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you know they have to take member dues

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to pay these people

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and they paid

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really three storytellers

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who have zero evidence of anything

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they're talking about zero proof of

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anything they're talking about

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zero documents that

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would back up anything they're talking

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about zero

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corroboration about anything they're

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talking about

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three people were paid by mufon to come

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there and tell ridiculous stories

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these stories ranged from

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i time traveled when i was a child

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i you know

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one guy is talking about he took a

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teleport system to mars with barack

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obama

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i mean really

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you you're

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people are contributing to mufon and

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they're paying somebody to go to their

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national

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year yearly conference who's saying

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i

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because you know

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their only explanation is well we're

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putting this information out there and

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people can form their own opinions no

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this is [\h__\h]

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and then we have you know i'm not even

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going to name them because i don't want

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to contribute to their fame because

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that's all they're looking for they're

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looking for money and fame but then we

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got another guy who's

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claiming that

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he had a nordic alien secretary who is

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giving him secrets and telling him what

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to say and

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reptilian

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nazi ufo craft and and and again

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all this other crap and

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that guy's got a doctor now making foia

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requests trying to back up what he's

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saying

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and

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what i have to say about that is

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all that

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doctor a phd

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which really is piled high and deep and

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[\h__\h] that's that's with that doctor

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there's a doctor at the mufon conference

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saying well i i did these foia requests

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and you know

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we've proven uh much of his uh

403
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statements no you proved that he worked

404
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for the military he could have been a

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dishwasher on a navy ship

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for his entire

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navy career

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you didn't prove that he somehow had

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access to reptilian

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nazi ufo

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flying saucers because that's what he's

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claiming

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or

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any of his ridiculous claims you just

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proved that he was in the military good

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for you you proved that he was in the

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military

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that's some [\h__\h] and the fact that

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mufon is taking members money and paying

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idiots like this

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to

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conference is completely and absolutely

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ridiculous

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and

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they lost

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every little bit of respect and dignity

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that they once had by doing this and i

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want to call on their leadership you can

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contact me you can come on this show and

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try to explain to me and my listeners

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why you allowed three idiots to go to

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your national conference and sell

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[\h__\h] and worse yet you took the

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money of the people that contribute to

435
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your organization and paid these

436
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[\h__\h]

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what are you on drugs

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you're supposed to be a scientific

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organization dedicated to the study of

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this stuff

441
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you're not supposed to be paying idiots

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that are telling [\h__\h] stories and

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have no proof whatsoever

444
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and then there's also the biggest

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[\h__\h] artist in the field today and

446
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they employed this guy

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all i'm gonna say is that this person is

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on gaia tv telling all kinds of crazy

449
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stories about blue avian aliens and the

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fact that he somehow

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uh served in the secret space program

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for 20 years but then came back in time

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and they age regressed him so nobody

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knew he was gone for the entire time

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that he was doing all of this

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it's such [\h__\h] and he's on gaia tv

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being interviewed by a fake psychic

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[\h__\h] that took money from people

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giving

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fake psychic readings for years and

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years and to my knowledge still does

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and also claims to be edgar casey

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reincarnated

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come on guys really this is supposed to

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be a scientific organization and you're

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employing people like this

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what has this field devolved into

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the

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this is absolutely ridiculous that we

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even have to address this with the

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so-called leadership of this

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organization you know growing up i had

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respect for that organization but after

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i saw this i would never give them a

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penny of my money because i don't want

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them to turn around and give any of my

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money to a bunch of storytelling

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[\h__\h] artists fake psychic

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interviewed [\h__\h]

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this is ridiculous and i call on every

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mufon member to contact your leadership

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and tell them that this is not

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acceptable

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mufon in my view just lost

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every bit of credibility that they once

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might have had by doing something so

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ridiculous

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now to their credit

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they had a hero on that stage

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along with these [\h__\h] artists and i

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gotta say that i admire his courage

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and his conviction

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and that is richard dolan a real

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researcher author and historian

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now

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when i i suppose or i've heard

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uh with interviews from him when he

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heard that he was gonna have to be on a

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stage with these people he kind of lost

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his [\h__\h] and i would too how do you

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expect me to stand up here with these

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bunch of [\h__\h] artists when i'm a

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serious researcher but to his credit

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richard dolan is one of my heroes he's

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always been one of my heroes and you

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know what he's even bigger hero of mine

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because what he did is he went to that

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conference anyway and they gave him

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the option they said well if you don't

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want to be on the panel and the debate

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you don't have to but richard dolan

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he's he's a rock star man he said no i

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have to i have to stand up here in this

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conference i can't let this go and

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richard dolan stood up there and

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basically called him [\h__\h] artists

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and i have to say that he's much more

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diplomatic and polite than i would be

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and i have to say also that my respect

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for this man richard dolan went up by a

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thousand percent because you have to

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realize that you know move on

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conferences is probably a good portion

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of his income he didn't need to do that

525
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he could have just kept his mouth shut

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and not said anything

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but good for him man

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and and i'm so glad that he did that you

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know like he had the courage and the

530
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conviction to stand up to that and say

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this is [\h__\h] and here's why this is

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[\h__\h]

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and he

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uh you know i'm sorry to keep keep

535
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dropping the [\h__\h] term he you should

536
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watch it on on youtube it's just search

537
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for 2017 mufon conference debate and

538
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you'll get to see richard dolan stand up

539
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to a bunch of [\h__\h] artists

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00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,640
somebody needed to do that and you know

541
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what i don't think richard dolan's going

542
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to lose any income from having the

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courage and the conviction to do that i

544
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think he's going to gain income because

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everybody that i've talked to

546
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about this that's interested in this

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00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,120
stuff

548
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has gained a thousand percent more

549
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respect for him he's our he was already

550
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,720
well respected but the fact that he

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00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,440
risked like future income to stand up

552
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,000
and say this is crazy

553
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,919
and there's no evidence for any of these

554
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:23,840
claims that all these people are making

555
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,240
and this isn't science man he didn't

556
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,799
need to do that you know he didn't need

557
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,520
to risk future income but he did

558
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and i gotta say it just made me respect

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him more

560
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now i guess i'm done ranting but the

561
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,039
point of my rant is that

562
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,880
there's too many things in this field

563
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:44,960
that are just filled with [\h__\h]

564
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,600
artists and we're gonna do our best not

565
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to give any [\h__\h] artists to stage

566
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here at the midnight hour show

567
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,360
so tonight

568
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,200
you know another part of my point is

569
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,000
that we have stan gordon tonight and

570
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,240
he's not a [\h__\h] artist this guy goes

571
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:04,559
out into the field he has documented

572
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,360
evidence he does all these case studies

573
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,720
on each event that he investigates

574
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,440
and and most of what he does is fact

575
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,919
based and you know he takes the witness

576
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,520
testimony and then he tries to

577
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,600
corroborate it find

578
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,159
other witnesses that saw the same thing

579
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,640
that's the kind of research we need

580
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,039
we do not need [\h__\h] artists

581
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,279
storytelling [\h__\h]

582
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,120
trying to suck money out of the

583
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,840
community for telling stories

584
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,039
we just can't have that it's not helpful

585
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:38,720
to those of us who are trying to get to

586
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,600
the truth of these things

587
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,440
so

588
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,000
i guess i should apologize for this long

589
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,880
rant on [\h__\h] artists

590
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,440
let's uh move on

591
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:52,799
for our show

592
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,679
and get to the meat of things that's

593
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,279
right my friends

594
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,440
now we're going to get to our guest

595
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,679
our expert guest who is going to talk

596
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,320
about bigfoot and his possible

597
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,039
relationship to ufos and the

598
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,360
extraterrestrial phenomenon

599
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:11,120
so without further ado ladies and

600
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:24,630
hello

601
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,400
yep it's stan

602
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,720
oh stan i'm sorry it's stephen hi steve

603
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,480
how are you doing good i hope things

604
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:34,480
settle down a little bit for you sorry

605
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,600
yeah we're good

606
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,640
we're good

607
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,120
hey uh once you get to once you get this

608
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,880
uh posted send me your link and i'll put

609
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,480
on my website for you

610
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,080
yeah that's awesome

611
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,600
so i guess my first question would be

612
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,080
how exactly did you get into bigfoot

613
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,880
besides the ufo stuff

614
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:54,559
well you know i started this back in

615
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:57,679
1959 when i was 10 years old and how i

616
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:00,000
got involved coincidentally my birthday

617
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,799
is during the halloween season

618
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:03,919
and

619
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,919
as a birthday gift my parents gave me a

620
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,159
new radio and i was tuning around the am

621
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,240
radio dial that evening and

622
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,840
there was some radio shows talking about

623
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,720
unusual occurrences uh haunted houses

624
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,039
and things that go bumping a night and

625
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,679
ghosts and flying saucers and i was very

626
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,360
curious as a child and i wanted to know

627
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,880
if these stories were

628
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,320
something that people were making up or

629
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,840
there was some truth to them so i began

630
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,279
to make a lot of trips to my local

631
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
library

632
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,000
and i began reading all the books they

633
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,159
had on ufos and bigfoot and other

634
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,880
strange things and uh started doing my

635
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,559
research on

636
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,679
things that were reported in

637
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,120
pennsylvania and that's how it all

638
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,640
started

639
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,120
well that's great i i heard you you told

640
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:44,799
a similar story about how you got into

641
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:47,600
ufos but how specifically did you get

642
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:48,480
into

643
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,799
bigfoot cases

644
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,279
well you know as as people were hearing

645
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,200
about the fact that i was interested in

646
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679
these unusual reports around the area

647
00:28:03,350 --> 00:27:59,600
people are calling beginning to contact

648
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,360
me about anything unusual and mostly ufo

649
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:04,960
sightings but i was getting calls on all

650
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,919
kind of phenomena from haunted houses to

651
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,520
strange creature reports including

652
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,720
bigfoot

653
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,039
and um that's how it all began so in the

654
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,399
late 60s i began to look into uh you

655
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,320
know a lot of the bigfoot reports as

656
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,760
well out in the field you know i started

657
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,440
out in the field investigating all these

658
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,120
phenomena after the kecks begins in 1965

659
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,279
but my interest started you know years

660
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,640
before that

661
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,200
and again i i began to track down uh

662
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,720
reports as i was hearing about them

663
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,880
again to study the history of bigfoot in

664
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,320
pennsylvania

665
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,880
and um you know when you look into it i

666
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,480
mean there's there were accounts going

667
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,559
back to native americans and there was

668
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,960
articles going back to the 1800s and

669
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,880
some of the newspapers across the state

670
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:47,679
so

671
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,760
reported in the woods of pennsylvania

672
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,360
for many many years

673
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,960
well you know it's interesting that you

674
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,480
mentioned that because

675
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,200
i used to think that it was just pacific

676
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,240
northwest was famous for this stuff but

677
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,960
i happen to have a occasion myself and i

678
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,640
don't want to say i saw a bigfoot but i

679
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,480
was on the appalachian trail in the

680
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:09,600
middle of

681
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,919
upstate pennsylvania somewhere i

682
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,840
couldn't even tell you exactly where but

683
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,000
it was on the appalachian trail

684
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:19,039
and we got rocks thrown into our camp

685
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:20,240
and then

686
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,559
from a very far distance i saw

687
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,440
something hairy run off into the brush

688
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,520
now was it a bigfoot i don't know but

689
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,760
that made me look into this stuff and i

690
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,000
had no idea that pennsylvania was such a

691
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,440
hot spot

692
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:39,200
yeah and in fact you know when i started

693
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,000
this so many years ago i mean it it was

694
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,080
apparent at that time that

695
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,159
so many of the majority of really good

696
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,399
bigfoot accounts were coming from

697
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,799
pacific northwest and canada and areas

698
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,840
along that line but now we seem to know

699
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,600
from all the data that we've accumulated

700
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,799
i mean i've interviewed hundreds of

701
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,799
witnesses from pennsylvania who've been

702
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,120
seeing these things uh again the late

703
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,840
60s especially during the 1970s and

704
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,200
since that time

705
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,440
and i would say there's probably better

706
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,279
documented probably more frequent

707
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,760
bigfoot encounters in pennsylvania in

708
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,120
the eastern part of the country than

709
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,679
there is in the pacific northwest

710
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,960
wow yeah i i never knew this myself but

711
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,279
i i looked into it and then i've saw

712
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,200
i've seen uh a whole bunch of different

713
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
stories and do you think it's just any

714
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,200
place that's very remote like the

715
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,520
appalachian trail in pennsylvania

716
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,360
i mean you could go for like i don't

717
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,760
know how many miles before you saw a

718
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,399
road or a car or any kind of

719
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,640
civilization it's very remote do you

720
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,520
think it's just wherever is remote

721
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,039
well you know we have bigfoot reports

722
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,720
from throughout the country and even now

723
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:46,000
the country is something somewhat

724
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:47,440
similar has been seen for years and

725
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,320
years

726
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,159
and so much of pennsylvania is covered

727
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,880
with woods and forest but

728
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,200
while a lot of bigfoot encounters occur

729
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,200
in rural areas and in the woods and

730
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,200
forests of pennsylvania

731
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,799
there have been many many other

732
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,919
sightings

733
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,080
not really that far from populated areas

734
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,919
and in fact in somewhat populated areas

735
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,080
but generally where there is some woods

736
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,279
nearby

737
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,640
i mean there have been sightings in the

738
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,480
suburbs of pittsburgh

739
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,600
uh sightings outside of harrisburg

740
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:17,519
you know many many populated areas even

741
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:19,519
philadelphia has reported incidents like

742
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,200
this and

743
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,440
they're not so well known and you know

744
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,080
these sightings go on all the time but

745
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,720
there's really any publicity because you

746
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,480
know as something i've been familiar

747
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,000
with for years and years with any of

748
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,320
these phenomena so many of the witnesses

749
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:36,559
who see these things are still reluctant

750
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,960
to report it now with ufo sightings

751
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,240
you've got more and more people are

752
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,320
coming forward and there's not as much

753
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,399
ridicule as there used to be but still

754
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,559
witnesses who see something very close

755
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,640
up are still reluctant quite often to

756
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:51,120
talk about it publicly but with bigfoot

757
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,640
and other cryptids

758
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,799
still very common for witnesses to

759
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,880
contact me and other researchers and

760
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,399
first thing they're saying is you know

761
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,080
you can think i'm crazy but this is what

762
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,159
i saw and don't use my name i mean

763
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,559
that's very very common and so these

764
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:06,000
people really have nothing to seek

765
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,120
they're just trying to find out what

766
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,399
they saw

767
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,679
wow and

768
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,519
how many cases a year do you think that

769
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:13,440
you get reports of where you are because

770
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,519
i should explain to my listeners that uh

771
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,320
stan you're in a lot more

772
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,799
more rural area than me where where

773
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,399
exactly do you live and where are these

774
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,159
reports coming from

775
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:28,240
well i'm in westmoreland county so i'm

776
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,000
about 30 miles uh east of pittsburgh

777
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,480
and if you continue another 10 miles or

778
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,480
so you start you're going down towards

779
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,039
uh latrobe and up in the ligonier and

780
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:41,039
you're in the vicinity of the

781
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,240
famous chestnut ridge area the chestnut

782
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:46,880
ridge is a mountain range that extends

783
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,440
from preston county west virginia

784
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,360
covers about a hundred miles and goes

785
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,519
into westmoreland fayette and indiana

786
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,840
county and southwest pa it is

787
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,360
historically

788
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,360
probably one of the most active areas in

789
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,640
the country

790
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,120
for repeated bigfoot sightings and other

791
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,440
phenomena ufo sightings other cryptid

792
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,000
encounters mystery booms all kind of

793
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,480
anomalies occur and have historically

794
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,399
been going on for many many years along

795
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,640
the chestnut ridge especially in parts

796
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,000
of westmore and fayette county

797
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,320
wow and you've you've been on the ground

798
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,279
and looked into the some of these cases

799
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,960
oh my i've spent years you know i've

800
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:26,320
been doing like i said i've been out in

801
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:27,480
the field since

802
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:30,720
1965 i had three volunteer research

803
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,320
groups who were active beginning in 1970

804
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:36,559
and continuing to i believe was the end

805
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,279
of

806
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,640
93

807
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:40,080
and i've been working as an independent

808
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,880
researcher since but my first group was

809
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,880
called the westmoreland county ufo study

810
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:47,200
group and it was kind of unique

811
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,080
uh

812
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:49,840
that was the original group and then

813
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,240
they consisted of other groups but

814
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,840
basically the majority of people

815
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:55,840
involved were specialists we had

816
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,880
scientists engineers technicians

817
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,880
police officers former military

818
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,480
intelligence people

819
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:03,919
most of the people involved have some

820
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,399
kind of specialized background and we

821
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,879
did this around our regular jobs but we

822
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,560
were responding the way i designed the

823
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,399
group was to respond to these incidents

824
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,079
24 hours a day

825
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,079
and we did this in many many occasions

826
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:18,320
and it started out small

827
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,760
in 1970 here in the greensburg area that

828
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:24,000
expanded to the pittsburgh area

829
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,000
and um by 1973 we had expanded to cover

830
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:30,079
the whole state of pennsylvania

831
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,079
and it was amazing

832
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,320
um the type of people who got involved

833
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,240
dr heineck who was the air force

834
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,720
consultant on ufos he kind he kind of

835
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,320
gave it the title of

836
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,919
um

837
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,159
and it was a title we gave was the fact

838
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:46,560
that so many of the people

839
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,040
who got involved scientifically they did

840
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,800
it anonymously because of their

841
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,240
positions

842
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,879
and uh that's very common

843
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,800
so many of them if i had worked with me

844
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,320
we're working do it the same way because

845
00:35:00,950 --> 00:35:00,240
we had people like from pittsburgh like

846
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:00,960
from

847
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,680
golf research westinghouse alcoa

848
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:05,920
and many of these people spent a lot of

849
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,160
time out in the field with me many came

850
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,720
in very skeptical but after a period of

851
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,280
months and years interviewing witnesses

852
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,960
seeing the evidence we gathered seeing

853
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,599
the patterns they realized like so many

854
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,720
others that there was something out

855
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,119
there we didn't have an explanation for

856
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:23,440
well for these bigfoot cases have you

857
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,359
gathered any photographic or

858
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,240
any any kind of physical evidence oh

859
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,920
yeah we over the years we've made many

860
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,760
castle footprints

861
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,359
you know took photographs of other

862
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,440
physical evidence we found at the scene

863
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,280
i mean there were so many reports the

864
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,359
one book i wrote several years ago is

865
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:43,599
called silent invasion the pennsylvania

866
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,240
ufo bigfoot casebook which focuses on

867
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,280
this this biggest outbreak in history of

868
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:50,960
ufo and bigfoot sightings which happened

869
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,960
here in pennsylvania from 1973 to 1974.

870
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,119
and luckily my first group was already

871
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,119
set up and with my electronics

872
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,280
background i set up an elaborate radio

873
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,280
communication center in my home and i

874
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:05,839
set up a two-way radio dispatch system

875
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,599
so we could radio dispatch some of the

876
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,280
investigators out to some of these areas

877
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,760
very quickly and that came in very i

878
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,240
have uh became very helpful over the

879
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,920
times we were using this

880
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,640
and uh this outbreak was just amazing i

881
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,760
mean it started with this major ufo

882
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,920
event that started january 1st and

883
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,000
continued to the last day of the year

884
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,839
with hundreds and hundreds of ufo

885
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,599
sightings coming in and and of course

886
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,599
you know i've said this many times in

887
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:33,760
the past when i began to go out into the

888
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,560
field at the same today a lot of cases

889
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,640
whether it be a ufo or a bigfoot other

890
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,200
paranormal incident they initially may

891
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,000
seem very strange and unusual initially

892
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:45,920
but when you take the time to properly

893
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,240
investigate them many are determined to

894
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,240
be either natural or man-made origin so

895
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,839
there's a lot of things you can explain

896
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,400
especially with ufo sightings and now

897
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,400
you know besides the fact that we deal

898
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,240
with natural phenomena such as stars and

899
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,240
meteors and planets things like that

900
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,480
that people misidentify now we've got to

901
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,560
deal with the chinese lanterns remote

902
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,839
control led helicopters

903
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,760
drones that are flying around so that

904
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,560
adds to the ufo reports would turn out

905
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:14,640
to be ifo reports identified flying

906
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,520
objects but year after year we're

907
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,000
getting reports of large objects that

908
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,800
are being seen some at very low level

909
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,119
that you cannot easily dismiss

910
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,280
but going back to that major way back in

911
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,680
the 70s with all these ufo sightings and

912
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,839
it was an amazing time i mean these

913
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,680
objects whatever they were they were

914
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,520
hovering low over roadways they were

915
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,000
pacing cars there were landing reports

916
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,839
where objects were on the ground it was

917
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,440
just incredible

918
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:43,920
cases we were investigating and then in

919
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,359
the summer of 73 we had this major

920
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,960
outbreak of bigfoot sightings which was

921
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,000
unprecedented and it started

922
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,320
um not far several miles from where i

923
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,960
live in a rural area behind uh

924
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,720
off of route 30 behind what was then the

925
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,480
old green gay mall

926
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,720
a lot of rural area a lot of woods

927
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,200
around there at the time and i got a

928
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:07,440
call from a relative of person the

929
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,960
incident was on july 31st of 73

930
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,520
i got the call on august the 7th

931
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,480
and this man that evening was shaving in

932
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,160
the bathroom was normal late at night

933
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,760
the window was open the bathroom was

934
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,800
warm

935
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,440
and uh smelled this funny odor like a

936
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,960
rotten cucumber and he turned around to

937
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,800
look at the window and here in the

938
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,960
winter these two huge glowing red eyes

939
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:30,240
and the wind is eight feet off the

940
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,680
ground

941
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,599
and the guy ran into the room and called

942
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,200
some of his relatives and they came in

943
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,560
and they smelled the odor but whatever

944
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,480
was in the window was gone

945
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,160
and

946
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,720
he had some physical problems maybe as a

947
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,480
result of that went to the hospital when

948
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,280
he got out a week later i went out to

949
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,280
interview him and he was still shook up

950
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:50,960
i interviewed some other family members

951
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,359
as well found out some local boys had

952
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,520
taken a shortcut to the mall several

953
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,119
weeks before

954
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,359
heard this commotion in the woods

955
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,800
figured it was probably a deer so i

956
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,320
began to throw some rocks in to scare

957
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,760
the deer out

958
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,680
however they were very surprised to see

959
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,240
the seven eight foot tall hair covered

960
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,760
creature with long arms swinging

961
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,280
crossing the road going up behind the

962
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,480
house

963
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,640
so i interviewed those boys

964
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,960
and um went up to look on the property

965
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,320
got permission to look on the property

966
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,320
and some of these boys followed me up

967
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,079
and i'm looking around up there hoping

968
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,839
maybe i'd find something wasn't very

969
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,839
hopeful ground conditions weren't very

970
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,760
good up on that hillside

971
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,680
and spent some time up there and i'm

972
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,440
about ready to leave

973
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,960
when i turn around and look on the

974
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:35,760
ground and here with a partial track and

975
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,440
then another fair very clearly defined

976
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:41,920
weirdest footprint i'd ever seen which

977
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,480
was 13 inches long and eight inches wide

978
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,119
and clearly three toed

979
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,599
and i got on the radio called one of my

980
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,040
assistants he came out and we took

981
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:53,040
photographs and measurements made a cast

982
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,880
of that footprint

983
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,119
and while we're out there in the field

984
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,359
and doing this research we get a radio

985
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,520
call that one of our investigators

986
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,280
almost to the ohio line but in

987
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,599
pennsylvania that morning was investing

988
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,280
in a case of something nine foot tall

989
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,599
was looking in a window and police found

990
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,920
very large footprints up in that area

991
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,640
and so this began this major series of

992
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,280
bigfoot events that would encompass a

993
00:40:21,069 --> 00:40:19,280
lot of southwest pa in other parts of

994
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,079
the state for weeks and months into

995
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,480
1974. it was just an amazing time to

996
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,720
live through it was getting it took on a

997
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,040
huge amount of media coverage both local

998
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,319
and national at the time from our

999
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,319
investigations

1000
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,920
there are multitudes of bigfoot

1001
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:36,560
sightings many in daylight maybe at very

1002
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,839
close range

1003
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,680
in some cases more than one creature

1004
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,200
seen together

1005
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,200
and there was many cases where there was

1006
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,040
physical evidence uh trails of

1007
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,520
footprints some cases which indicated

1008
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,359
some great strength

1009
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,119
where trees for small trees were

1010
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,839
uprooted as one ran through a pine

1011
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,599
forest out in derry township now we've

1012
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,599
got photographs and trees were pulled

1013
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:58,720
out

1014
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,560
other things that we found at the scene

1015
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,880
documented a lot of information it was

1016
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,880
just an amazing time

1017
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,440
and then it got much much stranger which

1018
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,440
we can get into if you want to

1019
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:14,480
um you know i i always absolutely and i

1020
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,160
i wanted to ask you because you're one

1021
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,480
of the people that talks about this ufo

1022
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,680
connection

1023
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,640
and you know i guess the the the major

1024
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:25,200
theories of what this thing is is

1025
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,750
you know some unknown creature that's

1026
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,440
natural or

1027
00:41:38,349 --> 00:41:35,680
something worse

1028
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,359
something uh

1029
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,319
extraterrestrial maybe because of the

1030
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,720
ufos that we see with it

1031
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,560
well yeah here's here's what i stress

1032
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,480
i'll get into how

1033
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,960
i became a part of this theory and it's

1034
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,800
something i was not looking forward to

1035
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:53,040
and not expecting to come across

1036
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,240
um i always felt from the time i got out

1037
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,839
into the field initially from the

1038
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,280
reports i heard initially from

1039
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,800
pennsylvania and other parts of the

1040
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,680
country that bigfoot if it existed and

1041
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,000
the evidence i began to find suggestions

1042
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,760
people were seeing something out there

1043
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:09,040
that it was probably some type of

1044
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,920
unknown primate so that was always the

1045
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,079
main theory that i was looking into

1046
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,240
until this series of events occurred in

1047
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,800
73 and 74. so you know you got to

1048
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,720
remember it's a different time period

1049
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,040
there's no internet there's not a lot of

1050
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,760
shows on tv at that time about bigfoot

1051
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,800
um

1052
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,720
people have to call the police to report

1053
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,240
something if they were afraid or scared

1054
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,400
of something going on and so many of

1055
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,079
these reports were initially coming into

1056
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,720
the police and in some cases they were

1057
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,839
being referred to my group to

1058
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,119
investigate

1059
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,400
and so we were very very busy but as

1060
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,240
more and more of these bigfoot reports

1061
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,560
are coming in from widespread areas

1062
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,960
some of the reports begin to get very

1063
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,760
very strange for example

1064
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:53,760
some of our teams get out to a sighting

1065
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,280
location within minutes after it

1066
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,040
occurred and there will be a series of

1067
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,359
footprints that would just suddenly stop

1068
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,640
and vanish when there should have been

1069
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,880
more tracks that was something was very

1070
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:04,079
unusual

1071
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:05,040
um

1072
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,319
one guy

1073
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,280
i would say that's pretty unusual yeah

1074
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,520
stan do you have me on a speakerphone no

1075
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:12,880
why what's going on

1076
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:14,560
oh no i'm getting a little bit of backup

1077
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,160
it's okay okay and um anyhow

1078
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,599
um

1079
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,079
a man called us at that time and said he

1080
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:24,160
had a fairly new car and he was riding

1081
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,839
in a rural road and there's a large

1082
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,760
hairy man-like creature ran out in front

1083
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,400
of his car and at that point his his

1084
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,880
motor began to sputter and as the thing

1085
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,480
ran off into the woods everything came

1086
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,720
back to normal and we thought that's

1087
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:38,880
pretty strange and unusual and then we

1088
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,359
began to get a pattern

1089
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,960
of uh reports where for example people

1090
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,319
would see

1091
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,720
strange lights or strange objects in a

1092
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:51,119
certain area and within minutes to hours

1093
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,319
later

1094
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,400
there would be a bigfoot sighting or

1095
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,240
vice versa

1096
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,640
and then we had some of the most amazing

1097
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,079
cases

1098
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,240
where ufos and bigfoot were seen

1099
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,800
together at the same time in place

1100
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,560
and here's what i want to stress you

1101
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,160
know first of all there are many

1102
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,319
theories of what the unknown category of

1103
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,960
ufos are we just don't know for sure you

1104
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,800
know some of the theories are that these

1105
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,040
are extraterrestrial spacecraft and

1106
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,800
maybe some of them are

1107
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,400
you know the more i'm looking for this

1108
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,400
phenomena the more i'm gearing towards

1109
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,839
the possible dealing with something for

1110
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,560
a better term that's interdimensional

1111
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,000
that's something that comes into our

1112
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,760
physical reality under certain

1113
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,040
conditions

1114
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,359
appears to be physically solid

1115
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,599
and then it's just gone it appears and

1116
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,200
disappears by the least physical

1117
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,359
evidence physical traces you know are we

1118
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,119
doing with time travelers unknown

1119
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,839
natural phenomena we just don't know so

1120
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,359
when i tell you about some of these

1121
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,240
cases that i'll be mentioning to you

1122
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,240
i'm not suggesting that bigfoot is an

1123
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,560
alien maybe it is i'm not suggesting

1124
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:54,000
that because i don't know what we're

1125
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,119
dealing with we're dealing with

1126
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,440
something and the more i look into it i

1127
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,520
think it's a much more strange and much

1128
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,000
more complex and many of us wish the

1129
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,319
phenomena to be but i have to go where

1130
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,079
the evidence leads us

1131
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,800
and it's leading me to indicate that we

1132
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,960
in some cases with bigfoot we may be

1133
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:12,400
dealing with something that's other than

1134
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,560
a normal flesh and blood animal so if

1135
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,839
you want i'll be glad to tell you about

1136
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,359
some of the cases

1137
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,520
yeah and you know i i think that would

1138
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,160
explain why uh maybe there's never been

1139
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,960
bodies found or anything like that right

1140
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,520
yep and i'll tell you about one specific

1141
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,720
case which was the case that convinced

1142
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:31,680
me

1143
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:35,599
than a flesh blood animal but just to

1144
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,560
give you an example of some of the cases

1145
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,560
that you know we dealt with and

1146
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,040
identities in deep great detail in my

1147
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:44,720
silent invasion book

1148
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,720
um but for example before i forget uh we

1149
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,960
should have you mention what your

1150
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,960
website is your website address do you

1151
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,720
want to give that to you

1152
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,640
right it's awesome we have some of the

1153
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,839
best books on

1154
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,680
ufos you really want to learn more go to

1155
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,040
his website and get some of these

1156
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,040
excellent books and you can tell

1157
00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:07,280
everywhere they can find you at okay the

1158
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:08,920
website is

1159
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,920
www.stan gordon.info

1160
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,400
info stan gordon dot info

1161
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,079
they can get autographed copies through

1162
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:18,000
the website or they can get the books at

1163
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,280
um

1164
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,400
on amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com my

1165
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,240
first book is called really mysterious

1166
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,640
pennsylvania and it has a lot of case

1167
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,200
where people are physically very close

1168
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,359
to ufos and other cryptids such as

1169
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,920
bigfoot gigantic bird sightings which

1170
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,520
you get more and more of what you call

1171
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,000
thunderbirds black panthers other

1172
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,160
entities

1173
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,160
my other book which is my favorite is

1174
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,560
silent invasion the pennsylvania ufo

1175
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,200
bigfoot casebook which focuses on this

1176
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,880
major wave of ufo bigfoot case from 1973

1177
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,040
and 74 we're talking about which has

1178
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,800
some of the weirdest cases you ever read

1179
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,880
about and it goes in a great detail

1180
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,200
it's amazing story and then my newest

1181
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,680
book is called astonishing encounters

1182
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,920
pennsylvania's unknown creatures which

1183
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:06,720
get us to many types of cryptids from

1184
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,839
bigfoot to the giant birds to water

1185
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,480
creatures to all kind of very very weird

1186
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,319
entities and some of these i'll bet that

1187
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,160
most people never even heard of before

1188
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,079
so there's a very strange and some of

1189
00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:20,480
these are very recent cases as well so

1190
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,280
they can go to amazon.com or

1191
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,520
barnesandnoble.com to pick up the books

1192
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,440
yeah you know i just interviewed stan

1193
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,359
friedman and i never knew that if you

1194
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,240
buy

1195
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,680
his books from his website their

1196
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:33,920
autograph and you too i got a bunch of

1197
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,119
your books on amazon not knowing so if

1198
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,040
anybody wants an autograph go direct to

1199
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,839
the website right that's correct

1200
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,119
awesome

1201
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,720
and you were telling me that there have

1202
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:46,480
been some you've been really busy with

1203
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,040
some recent reports you want to tell us

1204
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,800
something about that yeah do you want do

1205
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:52,400
you want to talk more about the older

1206
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,839
unusual reports first do you want to

1207
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:55,760
talk about some reason yeah let's talk

1208
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:02,870
okay well going back to that outbreak in

1209
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:05,520
73 and 74. so here's some really

1210
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,559
interesting cases uh for example uh one

1211
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,359
of the first reports i got was in august

1212
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,559
of 73

1213
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,160
from a rural area

1214
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,760
several miles from where i lived from

1215
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,760
the person involved was a wife of a

1216
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,160
prominent doctor she had seen a large

1217
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,160
boomerang-shaped object hovering low

1218
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,680
over the wooded area where she lived

1219
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,640
that evening that afternoon and they had

1220
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,559
never seen like it before then several

1221
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,359
hours later she hears gunshots down the

1222
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,520
street and finds out later that her

1223
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,880
neighbor went out in the back to see

1224
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,359
what was frightening the dog to see this

1225
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,440
large hairy bigfoot-like thing chasing

1226
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,200
their dog into the woods and fella

1227
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,800
grabbed his gun started shooting at this

1228
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,960
thing as it ran off into the woods

1229
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,720
so we thought that's fascinating here

1230
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,559
you have a ufo sighting a short time

1231
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:49,520
later

1232
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,119
in this area with this woman smelling

1233
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:53,280
this rotten sulfur-like smell

1234
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
that

1235
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,160
she finds out about this bigfoot

1236
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,079
encounter and then

1237
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,040
september 27th up in beaver county north

1238
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,599
of pittsburgh there's two women waiting

1239
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:05,599
for a friend to pick them up

1240
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,960
and

1241
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,520
they see this huge hairy creature

1242
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:11,040
covered with white hair you don't hear

1243
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:12,800
about these white creatures quite often

1244
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,440
but they still report on occasion

1245
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,280
and here's this huge creature running

1246
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:19,760
across the road towards the woods but in

1247
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:22,880
one of its hands it was carrying a

1248
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,319
sphere a ball of light into the woods

1249
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,720
and a short time later an object comes

1250
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,400
across the sky

1251
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,400
and projects a beam of light down into

1252
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:34,960
the woods where the creature ran into

1253
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,200
so that was very fascinating

1254
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,440
and then we had the case what i call the

1255
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,920
case of all cases if you had asked me

1256
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,000
what case stands out of the thousands of

1257
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,480
cases i've investigated it would be this

1258
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,680
one case

1259
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,000
um i'll give you the basics of a report

1260
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:52,079
we can talk for hours about this case

1261
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,599
it's probably the strangest thing on

1262
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,520
record

1263
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,880
and you know one thing i want to point

1264
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:58,640
out to you because i'm not sure if i did

1265
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,920
you know in all the years i've been

1266
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,760
doing this it's going on 57 years of

1267
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,160
research now i have never personally

1268
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,480
seen a ufo or bigfoot myself even though

1269
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,240
i've seen a lot of evidence

1270
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:10,240
but

1271
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,920
didn't know that

1272
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,240
you know my listeners knew that so isn't

1273
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,480
that frustrating for you well i guess it

1274
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,720
kind of keeps me skeptical

1275
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,800
i've seen enough over the years with the

1276
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,880
patterns and interviewing the witnesses

1277
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,480
and seeing the evidence that i'm

1278
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,800
convinced that yes while you can explain

1279
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,559
many things there are definitely some

1280
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,920
things out there we don't have

1281
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,839
explanations for there's a lot of

1282
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,400
mysteries out there but it keeps me

1283
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,400
skeptical and maybe someday i'll be in

1284
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,520
the right place at the right time and

1285
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:42,000
have my own observation but this case

1286
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,520
going back october 25th 1973 a lot of

1287
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,160
ufo reports in that 24 hour period

1288
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:50,319
coming in on my ufo hotline from across

1289
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,440
the state

1290
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,440
then about 10 30 that night i got a call

1291
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,000
from a state trooper from the uniontown

1292
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,640
barrett up in fayette county again

1293
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,559
he had just come back from investigating

1294
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,359
this multiple witness ufo landing

1295
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,280
which involved two bigfoot in the field

1296
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,119
at the same time

1297
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,640
and he was

1298
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,240
he thought that there was a good chance

1299
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,240
something was stopping that pastor he

1300
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:13,599
wanted me to send one of my teams up

1301
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,240
there as soon as possible so it's late

1302
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,079
in the evening but we did we assembled a

1303
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,160
team we got our equipment together our

1304
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:22,160
radiation gear our radios and other

1305
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,200
equipment

1306
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:24,960
found our way up to fayette county

1307
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,160
during the early morning hours

1308
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,359
met a key witness and his father

1309
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:33,839
and but before that happened i had a

1310
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:36,880
chance to talk with a state trooper in

1311
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,440
detail and also one of the key witnesses

1312
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,040
and what i learned was that about nine

1313
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,520
o'clock about 15 people in that area in

1314
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,319
that little row area they see this

1315
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,319
object in the sky it's about as big as a

1316
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,040
barn it's a bright red sphere

1317
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,720
and it's about a hundred feet off the

1318
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:55,520
ground and slowly making its way down

1319
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,839
towards the pasture

1320
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,599
um it's seen by

1321
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,440
various people out there

1322
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,400
and

1323
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,760
son happened to be coming in to visit

1324
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,200
him at the time and he sees this thing

1325
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,359
as he's coming into his dad's form he

1326
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,960
goes up to a neighbors and they watch

1327
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,880
this thing looks like he's gonna land in

1328
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,000
the pasture

1329
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,480
so he and two young boys decide they're

1330
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,240
gonna go up and see what's going on he

1331
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,480
stops over his dad's farm

1332
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,640
and grabs a 30 odd six and a handful of

1333
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,319
ammunition

1334
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,760
and they

1335
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:27,359
go up towards the pasture i'm making

1336
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,559
this breed because there's a lot of

1337
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,240
details we're not getting not getting

1338
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,800
into at this point anyhow

1339
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,960
when they get up to the pasture

1340
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,559
they're standing there in amazement

1341
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,800
because about 250 feet away the objects

1342
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,119
on the ground are right above it but now

1343
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,359
it's not a complete sphere it's like a

1344
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,760
big white dome about 100 feet or more in

1345
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,079
diameter it's making this high-pitched

1346
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,440
whining sound

1347
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,079
glowing illuminating in the whole field

1348
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,520
they hear they're hearing these loud

1349
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,160
baby crying sounds the dogs around the

1350
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,240
area are going crazy

1351
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,920
and they're just standing there they

1352
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:01,680
can't believe what they're seeing well

1353
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:05,040
among that ammunition were two tracers

1354
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,920
so

1355
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,440
anybody that hunts out there know that

1356
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,040
tracy just gives you like a luminous

1357
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,359
forest and trail when it's shot

1358
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,559
anyhow

1359
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:15,040
standing there watching this object

1360
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,079
and

1361
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:18,800
their attention soon drawn about 75 feet

1362
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,359
away to a barbed wire fence

1363
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,920
because along that barbed wire fence

1364
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,160
there's these two tall dark figures

1365
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:28,079
slowly moving their direction one behind

1366
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,960
the other

1367
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,520
so the fence post is six feet tall the

1368
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,520
one front about eight feet tall the one

1369
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,680
behind is about seven feet tall

1370
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,400
these things are bipedal they're upright

1371
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,400
they're covered with long dark matted

1372
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,800
hair they have large glowing green eyes

1373
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:44,640
the eyes appear to be about the size of

1374
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,920
a 50 cent piece glowing bloominess green

1375
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,760
the arms are so long they're almost down

1376
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,559
to the ground they have no neck

1377
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,400
and they're making this whining baby

1378
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,960
crying sound and they're slowly moving

1379
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,200
towards these guys and the one guy one

1380
00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:01,040
kid is very very scared he runs out of

1381
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,700
the field

1382
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,960
[Music]

1383
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,079
the other one's

1384
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:06,640
the older fella shoot him shooting him

1385
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,800
the guy finally takes a shot

1386
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,720
he takes his first shot at the tracers

1387
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,200
you've got that luminous trail

1388
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,760
fires is the second shot

1389
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,319
it's also a tracer but something really

1390
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,640
amazing happens when he fires that

1391
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,040
second tracer the largest other two

1392
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,079
creatures left out this large whining

1393
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:28,640
crying sound reaches out of hand as

1394
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,839
though to grab at that tracer

1395
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:33,920
and the moment it does that the object

1396
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,520
and field vanishes

1397
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,400
it doesn't take off it just disappears

1398
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,799
well that's illumination

1399
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,799
that's amazing so this guy

1400
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,920
this guy

1401
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,720
shot at the creatures themselves yeah

1402
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,640
he's firing right into the creatures at

1403
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,319
the same moment

1404
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,319
now you're gonna forget now the second

1405
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,960
shot was also just a tracer at that

1406
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,920
point

1407
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,240
well as soon as he fires that shot the

1408
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,400
creep the object disappears the

1409
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,880
creatures turn around started walking

1410
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,799
along that fence line back towards the

1411
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:07,040
woods and the guy starts firing live

1412
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,720
ammo into them

1413
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,480
and this fella told me for years and

1414
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,799
years he said i'll never forget how the

1415
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,799
biggest of the creatures stared at him

1416
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,720
with those glowing green eyes as he's

1417
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,799
firing live ammo into it and there

1418
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,760
appears to be no no types of response or

1419
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:23,520
not it's not injured

1420
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,000
it doesn't they don't slow down at all

1421
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:27,920
and at that point

1422
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,000
after he fires his shots into him they

1423
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,480
both run back to the truck go back to

1424
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:33,839
the farmhouse tell the family what

1425
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:35,040
happened

1426
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,480
take them to a neighbor called the state

1427
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,680
police

1428
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,319
so when they when the trooper arrives 45

1429
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,559
minutes later they go up into the field

1430
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,079
with the troop car

1431
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,319
they're looking around for evidence

1432
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,079
and they go over the area where the

1433
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:49,760
object had been on the ground and the

1434
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:52,200
trooper told me the whole area was

1435
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,599
self-luminescent and glowing about 150

1436
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,760
feet in diameter the farm animals

1437
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,400
wouldn't go into it he said if he had a

1438
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:02,079
newspaper he could have sat down within

1439
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,599
that area and read the newspaper from

1440
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,760
the globe coming off the area

1441
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,839
and that's just the short part of the

1442
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,319
story it gets even stranger and stranger

1443
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,599
which i'm not going to get into all

1444
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,559
right now

1445
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,079
but that was the

1446
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,280
main case initially that convinced me

1447
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,920
and my team that there was a lot more to

1448
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,760
the ufo and bigfoot phenomena than any

1449
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,160
of us had ever anticipated and now we

1450
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:26,000
have to keep a much more open mind as to

1451
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,520
what we are dealing with

1452
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,559
and then this guy is

1453
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,720
he wasn't he was close enough to shoot

1454
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,319
at this thing

1455
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,720
oh yeah i mean they were getting pretty

1456
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:38,880
close to him and it was coming along the

1457
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,000
fence line and he fired right into him

1458
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,760
after he fired the tracy fired a lot of

1459
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:45,440
ammo into him but there was no effect on

1460
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,470
them

1461
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,920
[Music]

1462
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,280
wow

1463
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,280
and and that but that's

1464
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,880
that's was interesting however then as

1465
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,359
time goes on and more and more reports

1466
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,200
continue to come in

1467
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:01,760
then we had the case that convinced me

1468
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:05,119
that again bigfoot in some cases may not

1469
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,880
be flesh and blood which is why there's

1470
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,880
no bodies and i'll be glad to tell you

1471
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,720
that story if you like yeah i've always

1472
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:12,640
thought it was interesting that there's

1473
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,280
no bodies there's never body they never

1474
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,520
found bones i mean occasionally somebody

1475
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,280
finds dna or

1476
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,040
hair but it always turns out to be a

1477
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,280
known animal or something like that what

1478
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,720
are you making

1479
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,559
and i've been saying that for years and

1480
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,200
and it's not just with bigfoot i mean if

1481
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,880
you look into some of the cases my new

1482
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,040
book astonishing encounters there's

1483
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,079
other cryptids in there which suggests

1484
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,839
they're also not a normal flesh and

1485
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,160
bloody animal so we may be dealing with

1486
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,240
a phenomena again

1487
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,480
that under certain conditions

1488
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,079
and maybe there's certain areas where

1489
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,640
this is more prevalent that these things

1490
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,720
come into our physical environment

1491
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,559
they're seen by people they look

1492
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,720
physically solid at times they leave

1493
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,480
physical evidence and then they're gone

1494
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,559
they come and they go where do they come

1495
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,799
from where do they go but here's here's

1496
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,799
the case that really convinced me there

1497
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,880
was something going on with bigfoot that

1498
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,000
may be other than a zoological specimen

1499
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,520
february 6 1974 back up in the mountains

1500
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:13,359
of fayette county again

1501
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,160
um

1502
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,240
some missiles will remember the time

1503
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,160
period because we had gas rationing

1504
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,040
going on national trucker strike there

1505
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:23,040
was violence on the roadways across the

1506
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,400
country you might remember that in the

1507
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,040
news i don't know what your age is

1508
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,599
but anyhow it was a big time for people

1509
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:32,000
who were living and i couldn't get up to

1510
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,280
the scene to the next morning because i

1511
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,640
couldn't get gas

1512
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,440
because of the because of the situation

1513
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,440
in pennsylvania with the strike the

1514
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,839
state police and the national guard were

1515
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,480
patrolling together they both responded

1516
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,000
to this incident

1517
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,440
this is february 6 1974

1518
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,520
deep in the mountains of fayette county

1519
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,480
not that far from ohio pile and and the

1520
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,480
story focuses on a woman who lived in

1521
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,720
the woods all her life she was a very

1522
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,440
good shot knew animals very well really

1523
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,280
didn't fear much of anything she's

1524
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,359
sitting in a room at home they're good

1525
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,119
with a gun i would say don't you think

1526
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:09,200
so like a good guy again

1527
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,559
i would think a lot of the people that

1528
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,480
live in rural areas are good with the

1529
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,720
gun right oh yeah well these people will

1530
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,880
wake deep in the mountains yeah so she's

1531
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,960
sitting there and she's watching

1532
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,200
television and she hears this noise out

1533
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,520
on her porch she had some pop cans out

1534
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:24,880
there and someone was knocking the pop

1535
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,440
cans around well she previously had had

1536
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,680
a pack of wild dogs come through and she

1537
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,920
figured maybe the dogs are back so she

1538
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,440
thought you know what i'll just grab my

1539
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,680
shotgun and i'll load one chamber and

1540
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:36,960
i'll shoot over here he hasn't scared

1541
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,160
the dogs away so she grabs her shotgun

1542
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,599
loads a chamber

1543
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,680
walks over to the door walks over to the

1544
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:45,839
wall turns on the switch for the porch

1545
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:48,319
light goes over to the front porch door

1546
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,440
opens it and steps out

1547
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,000
but there's no dogs but just a few feet

1548
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,319
in front of her is this huge hairy

1549
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:58,480
creature with his arms straight up over

1550
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,880
his head almost like it's surrendering

1551
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,200
and what does she do she fires right

1552
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,720
into it

1553
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,559
she says there's this bright flash of

1554
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,760
light

1555
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,079
like a strobe line a camera or a flash

1556
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,920
on the camera and it disappears right in

1557
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:13,440
front of her

1558
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,960
you know it was interesting too and i

1559
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,880
interviewed her numerous times and

1560
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,400
others interviewed her

1561
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,160
she never had recorded a bigfoot she

1562
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,680
said it looked like a great big hairy

1563
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,559
ape

1564
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,880
and the rest of the story is after she

1565
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,119
fired that shot her in-laws lived a

1566
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,880
hundred feet away they heard the gunshot

1567
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:29,920
and called and asked him what she's

1568
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,200
shooting at

1569
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,280
she told them the son-in-law grabs his

1570
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,599
pistol starts his mate awakening is

1571
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:38,000
making his way up towards the home

1572
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,680
sees some figures in the distance

1573
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,839
running up the road and as he gets

1574
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,440
closer he said he's surrounded by four

1575
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,119
or five hairy people with eyes like

1576
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,440
holes of fire and starts firing right

1577
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,760
into him and runs into the cabin home

1578
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:52,079
and they look out the window and about

1579
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,079
the same time there's this large object

1580
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,079
they said like a big christmas ornament

1581
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,880
hovering over the woods at the same time

1582
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:00,880
wow

1583
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,520
well anyhow i i interviewed the maine

1584
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,599
state trooper the investigating officer

1585
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,119
and the next day

1586
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,359
and he said i don't know what happened

1587
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,359
up there but it's something very very

1588
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,520
strange was happening on that property

1589
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,839
he based that on something that i have

1590
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,160
seen in my investigators in some cases

1591
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,079
with the animal reactions

1592
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,559
people can be faked and fooled animals

1593
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:23,599
can't

1594
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:25,920
and in this situation

1595
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,640
the horses and the cattle and the dogs

1596
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,280
in particular acting very very strange

1597
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:33,119
they had several big dogs i think one

1598
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,480
was eskimos

1599
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,880
spits i think there was a shepherd i

1600
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,960
can't remember but then i remember the

1601
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,440
trooper telling me when he got up there

1602
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,280
and everything was quiet the dogs

1603
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,760
wouldn't bark they wouldn't make a sound

1604
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,839
they were just scared petrified he said

1605
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:49,839
to one of the dogs who's inside of a

1606
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,359
shelter or a cage and he opened it up to

1607
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,200
try to get let the dog out and the dog

1608
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,720
wouldn't even move the dog should have

1609
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,039
ripped his arm off the dog wouldn't move

1610
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:00,559
and he said he's never said anything

1611
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,480
like it before how the animal is

1612
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,000
reacting and he was convinced something

1613
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,200
very odd it happened at the scene

1614
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,520
wow you know but just to play devil's

1615
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,680
advocate though how many of these cases

1616
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,359
that you've investigated was their

1617
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,079
footprints or other physical evidence

1618
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,119
because

1619
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,280
what a lot of people say

1620
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,079
that are sort of naysayers is that it's

1621
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,680
a lot of stories and not a lot of

1622
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,039
evidence

1623
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,520
well first of all you got to realize

1624
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,440
these reports are coming in widespread

1625
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,559
areas

1626
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,480
they weren't you know summoned reports

1627
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,839
got in the paper after they occurred

1628
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,599
but many of the reports were never

1629
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,880
publicized the majority of them were

1630
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,880
never publicized they were coming from

1631
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,039
people who wanted no publicity

1632
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:44,640
while some areas while there was

1633
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,640
sometimes certain areas like in derry

1634
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:47,920
township where there are numerous

1635
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,319
different people reporting a lot of odd

1636
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:52,559
things on their different properties

1637
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:55,599
99 of the people wanted no publicity so

1638
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,960
nobody knew who they were they had

1639
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:59,280
nothing to gain i mean we were on the

1640
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,559
scene or the police are on the scene

1641
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,240
within minutes to hours after it

1642
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,480
occurred so we're able to document this

1643
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,400
very quickly and document what's going

1644
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:08,960
on you got to remember i had scientists

1645
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,440
and engineers and trained investigators

1646
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:13,440
with me or police out there in a lot of

1647
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,720
cases i had an anthropologist with us

1648
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,720
we knew how to differentiate between

1649
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:20,880
real tracks and fake tracks and yeah

1650
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,720
once the news got out there were some

1651
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,559
hoaxes and they were very apparent i

1652
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:26,400
mean you could tell the difference in

1653
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:27,760
the weight the

1654
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:30,079
the structure the way the toes spread

1655
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:31,760
underground conditions i mean we knew

1656
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:33,200
what to look for

1657
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,640
you know one of the things i always

1658
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,559
thought was interesting was the dermal

1659
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:39,359
ridges on some of those prints

1660
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:40,240
or

1661
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,200
you know sometimes there's actual like

1662
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,000
almost like a fingerprint the the uh the

1663
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,319
pattern of a of a print of a bottom of

1664
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,039
somebody's foot in these big huge tracks

1665
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,440
that's kind of hard to fake isn't it

1666
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,359
yeah it is and it depends on the ground

1667
01:04:00,069 --> 01:03:57,440
condition i mean some of ours was in

1668
01:04:02,309 --> 01:04:00,079
dirt and mud you know clay all kind of

1669
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,319
different conditions so it just depended

1670
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,400
but some of the tracks i mean in some of

1671
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:05,920
the tracks you actually like the bone

1672
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,079
structure you can see you can see the

1673
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:10,480
depth of the toe i mean it was really

1674
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,280
amazing some of these cases and and we

1675
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,760
had some interesting cases where we had

1676
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,280
some hair samples that may have been

1677
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:19,119
significant but unfortunately back in

1678
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,960
that time period there was no dna

1679
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,079
testing

1680
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,240
and we had one case um

1681
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,680
and and i mentioned all this in my in

1682
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,200
the silent invasion book and go into

1683
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,400
detail about this one case um there was

1684
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,640
involved some hair samples um which was

1685
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,640
a pretty significant bigfoot case so

1686
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,880
there was a terrible odor to it

1687
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:38,640
and um

1688
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,960
through another group we had

1689
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,559
they had contact with two of the leading

1690
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,160
scientists in the field at the same time

1691
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:46,000
and they were limited to what they could

1692
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:46,799
do

1693
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:47,599
but

1694
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:50,000
it was the only hair sample that it was

1695
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,920
so close to human but they couldn't be

1696
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,160
sure if it was human or not as i recall

1697
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:56,000
and then another incident

1698
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:57,599
i remember getting a call from the state

1699
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,839
police up in indiana county where there

1700
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:01,440
have been a lot of bigfoot sightings and

1701
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:02,960
this was an incident where there was a

1702
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,760
report of a bigfoot being shot

1703
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,920
on a roadway and there was blood spots

1704
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,599
on the road they thought

1705
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:11,920
and they called my team up

1706
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:14,160
and that was a distance away but we got

1707
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,520
there late in the evening and we got

1708
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,799
there with a whole lot of people there

1709
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,799
to meet us different people who had been

1710
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,640
seeing things up there

1711
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,720
state troopers i got there before we did

1712
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,799
and this thing had been before we got to

1713
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:26,240
this was at a

1714
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,280
rural area it was like an apple orchard

1715
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,520
and these people just picked uh several

1716
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,599
baskets of big fresh apples and this

1717
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,160
thing came up on their back porch that

1718
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:37,680
evening was taking whole apples and

1719
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:39,920
popping hole apples in its mouth

1720
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,720
and uh this thing to make the story sort

1721
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:44,400
of walked around the front of the house

1722
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,640
walked across the road and when the guy

1723
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,480
had a clear shot he took a shot at this

1724
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,920
thing as he ran into the woods and made

1725
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:52,559
this terrible screaming sound

1726
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,200
and he thought he had hit it uh with his

1727
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,200
gunshot because it looked like blood

1728
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:59,119
spots on the road so there was some

1729
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,640
apple on the road and what looked like

1730
01:06:05,109 --> 01:06:03,039
blood spots the state police took the

1731
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,119
apple with them but they left the blood

1732
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,480
spots for us

1733
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,880
we sent it to

1734
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:10,400
the specialist again through this other

1735
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,559
group and the closest thing they came up

1736
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,119
with was it was apple juice mixed with

1737
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,280
saliva it was not blood

1738
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:19,440
oh that's too bad i really hope that you

1739
01:06:24,390 --> 01:06:22,160
got some bigfoot dna or some other proof

1740
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,400
like that

1741
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,000
but you know again you know one of the

1742
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,240
things after so many bigfoot reports

1743
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,799
year after year this goes on every year

1744
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,200
in pennsylvania many many other parts of

1745
01:06:37,349 --> 01:06:34,960
the state many other parts of the

1746
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:37,359
country other countries as well and

1747
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:40,960
still no bodies you know very little

1748
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,280
really good physical evidence

1749
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:45,520
something just doesn't make any sense

1750
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,839
you know after so many many years of

1751
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,839
site going back to native americans if

1752
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,160
this was a normal flushing blood animal

1753
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,039
surely by now we'd have a body

1754
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,039
i have a i have a native american friend

1755
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,280
who i talked to about this and of course

1756
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:01,119
the native americans call him you know

1757
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,240
hairy man of the forest or sasquatch and

1758
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:06,640
i asked him why is there ever any bodies

1759
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,280
or why isn't there bones dna or physical

1760
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,319
evidence and what he told me is that for

1761
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,799
centuries his people have known

1762
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:16,319
that this creature walks with the

1763
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,680
spirits

1764
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:18,720
yeah

1765
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,640
different tribes around the country and

1766
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,039
we hear about that these things appear

1767
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,039
more spiritual in nature not a physical

1768
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,920
entity and you know more and more you

1769
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:31,839
have to wonder you know does this fit

1770
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:33,920
into the interdimensional theory like i

1771
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,319
said i i have never seen one i've

1772
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,920
interviewed hundreds of witnesses i've

1773
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,599
seen a lot of evidence

1774
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,240
i was very much convinced for years that

1775
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,799
this was an unknown primate but now

1776
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:46,720
looking more and more at the data and so

1777
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,960
many cases i've come across and

1778
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,640
there's so many strange aspects to it

1779
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,039
you know i started writing about the

1780
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:55,280
ufos and the bigfoot and the fact that

1781
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,240
sometimes in some cases and it's not in

1782
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,200
the majority cases but it may well be

1783
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,359
there's a lot more of these type of

1784
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:04,960
incidents going on around the country

1785
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,319
and around the world

1786
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,400
than we're hearing about because what i

1787
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,880
learned years and years ago is that

1788
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,280
many other ufo bigfoot researchers were

1789
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,520
aware of these type of cases where there

1790
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,239
was a ufo bigfoot scene together or in

1791
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,920
certain areas you would have a ufo

1792
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,759
sightings and bigfoot activity or vice

1793
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,239
versa but so many that were reluctant to

1794
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:26,080
publish it because they're afraid of

1795
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,520
being ridiculed by their peers they

1796
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,719
wouldn't do it

1797
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:30,719
and i've i've heard that for years and

1798
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,520
years in more recent years i'm seeing

1799
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,279
more and more people in both fields

1800
01:08:39,669 --> 01:08:37,279
especially the bigfoot field beginning

1801
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,679
to question the same things that i have

1802
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,199
and are beginning to look into the

1803
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,199
possibility of maybe some of these

1804
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:45,279
theories are not so far-fetched after

1805
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,239
all

1806
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,520
and you know one thing that's been

1807
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,679
coming up more and more in recent years

1808
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,199
is that i've been hearing from bigfoot

1809
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:53,600
researchers and from bigfoot groups

1810
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,120
they're going out in the areas where

1811
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:57,279
there's a history of bigfoot encounters

1812
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,120
searching and staking out areas looking

1813
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,199
for bigfoot but instead of finding

1814
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,520
bigfoot they're seeing strange lights or

1815
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,440
strange objects and it just happened

1816
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,759
again a couple weeks ago and it's a very

1817
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,679
detailed bigfoot encounter which i'm

1818
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,600
glad to talk to you about

1819
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,000
yeah sure you know but before that i

1820
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,839
wanted to ask you because i kind of

1821
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:17,920
honestly make fun of some of these

1822
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:20,480
bigfoot shows on tv because it seems

1823
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,799
like they're just grasping at straws and

1824
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:24,319
there's never any evidence and you can

1825
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,040
watch 85 hours of that and honestly i

1826
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,040
have and it seems like very little

1827
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,600
evidence or even i believe some of those

1828
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,520
shows is hoaxing evidence or near

1829
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:35,520
encounters because they have to do that

1830
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,189
well you know be honest i don't watch a

1831
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,880
lot of the programs i don't really have

1832
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:44,640
time um

1833
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:45,600
you know

1834
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:47,920
i i can tell you this there was a lot

1835
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,480
more activity i mean we did a lot of

1836
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,719
really detailed research in in the 70s

1837
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,719
80s early 90s

1838
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,560
and uh

1839
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,040
we were finding a lot more evidence back

1840
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,960
in here in those years i mean especially

1841
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:02,640
back in the 70s we would find a lot more

1842
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,520
evidence in more recent years it's very

1843
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:06,640
rare

1844
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,800
for us and i'm in touch with so many

1845
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,719
other researchers in pennsylvania it's

1846
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,440
very rare to go out and find any really

1847
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,760
good solid physical evidence like we

1848
01:10:19,270 --> 01:10:17,280
used to accumulate over the years i mean

1849
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,280
on occasion you'll get some footprints

1850
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,120
or something else might turn up

1851
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,199
you know but it's not like it used to be

1852
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,640
for whatever reason

1853
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,560
wow and did you did you ever find it or

1854
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,640
do you have in your possession besides

1855
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,000
the footprints i know you mentioned

1856
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,239
those did you ever find or do you have

1857
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,040
any hair samples or anything like that

1858
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,199
all the ones we had back in the early

1859
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:39,120
years were sent to labs and back then

1860
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:40,560
unfortunately

1861
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:42,800
the type of testing was a destructive

1862
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,280
testing so they use the samples to

1863
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,440
analyze but there's no more samples left

1864
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,360
unfortunately and what were the results

1865
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,120
of some of those tests

1866
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,120
well again the majority of them were

1867
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,000
identified as different types of rodents

1868
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,400
or other animals but that one sample

1869
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,880
that always kind of interested me was

1870
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:02,400
that when it came back i can't remember

1871
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:03,840
exactly how it was written i wrote it up

1872
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,080
in my book but it was

1873
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,000
so close to human but they couldn't be

1874
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:10,239
100 sure it was human hair and we always

1875
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,480
thought that was the one hair sample we

1876
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,320
thought was significant

1877
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,159
wow that's amazing and can you tell us

1878
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,440
about this other case that you were

1879
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,719
talking about

1880
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,800
yeah well this just happened again back

1881
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,280
in that area of fayette county which has

1882
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,440
a lot of history of bigfoot sightings

1883
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,600
for years and years and year after year

1884
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,280
we're getting reports there as well as

1885
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,840
other areas of pennsylvania but this

1886
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,760
report just happened on may 10th so it's

1887
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,280
just very recent

1888
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,600
it initially was reported to one of my

1889
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,760
research associates jim brown who lives

1890
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:41,199
in fayette county

1891
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,080
and

1892
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,600
he wrote the report up on it you can go

1893
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,440
to my website stan gordon dot inside

1894
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:47,199
read the whole report

1895
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:48,239
but

1896
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:49,840
this was around 11 o'clock in the

1897
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,800
evening this was in the area

1898
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,560
of fayette county

1899
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,199
and uh this was on a one of those rural

1900
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,360
roads called mud pike

1901
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,719
and um

1902
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:03,040
this occurred

1903
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:04,960
like i said around 11 o'clock on may the

1904
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,679
10th it was a very very heavy rain at

1905
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:09,199
the time

1906
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:10,960
and

1907
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,679
fellas were riding down the road

1908
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,199
and

1909
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,960
they saw at first what appeared to be a

1910
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:18,640
large herring animal cross the road

1911
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:20,960
walking upright did not see it very

1912
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,400
clearly he could not rule out a bear

1913
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,040
walking on hind legs but it did get the

1914
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,120
attention of the people in the car and

1915
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:28,880
they slowed down

1916
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,880
um to a crawl as they passed air where

1917
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,640
they saw it using a flashlight the

1918
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:34,159
witness are trying to catch a glimpse of

1919
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,920
it in the woods below but they did not

1920
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,239
see it again but suddenly

1921
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:40,560
a second creature came from the bank on

1922
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:42,400
the left into the path of their car

1923
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,560
about 20 feet ahead of them

1924
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,560
the driver immediately slammed on his

1925
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,000
brakes and stopped with the creature

1926
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,080
clearly visible in the headlights 10 to

1927
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,400
15 feet in front of the car

1928
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,320
neither witness had a camera so no

1929
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,880
photos were obtained unfortunately i and

1930
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,560
jim asked them describe the creature

1931
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,400
they said it was about seven feet high

1932
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,560
standing upright on two legs with arms

1933
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:05,360
well below the hips and stared directly

1934
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,480
at the car the eyes glowed bright red it

1935
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,560
was covered head to toe with long black

1936
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,960
or very dark hair the hair was so long

1937
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,960
that no facial features can be seen

1938
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,480
besides the eyes

1939
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,320
the body was covered to the point that

1940
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,239
no uh sexual features could be

1941
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:22,480
determined also another were the palms

1942
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,880
of the tent which were arrows in black

1943
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,440
no claws were observed the feet were not

1944
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:29,760
seen at an angle of view

1945
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,280
since the hood of the car blocked the

1946
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,280
ability to see the ground at that close

1947
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,000
of a distance they detected no odors or

1948
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,239
sounds however the choir windows were up

1949
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,840
and the rain was beating down hard on

1950
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,120
the vehicle

1951
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,880
the dry red stopped this car and the

1952
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,800
creature froze watching them for a few

1953
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,679
seconds at that point the driver put the

1954
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,239
car in reverse and slowly started back

1955
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,640
up the creature took a couple of steps

1956
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,880
toward the car keep it about the same

1957
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,040
distance away as before

1958
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:59,760
the driver again stopped the car and the

1959
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:02,880
creature did likewise a short time later

1960
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,679
the driver put the car in a low in low

1961
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,320
and began creeping toward the creature

1962
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,640
the creature stood still and did not

1963
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,719
move from the spot where it stopped

1964
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:14,719
it did put its arms forward as if to

1965
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,760
protect itself the car continued to move

1966
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,080
forward very slow to the point where

1967
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,159
both people in the car could feel the

1968
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,719
car make contact with the creature it

1969
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,960
put its arm out and placed his hand on

1970
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:28,880
the front of the car

1971
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,360
when the bumper was against

1972
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,199
its

1973
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,840
legs the driver stopped again and did

1974
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,920
not try to force his way through the

1975
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:39,440
driver said he was ready to shift to

1976
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,080
reverse again and get the heck out of

1977
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,080
there and it was at the point that the

1978
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,159
creature moved his hands from the car

1979
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,679
took about one step forward and

1980
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,760
proceeded to walk into the woods below

1981
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:51,840
the road that was the last time it was

1982
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,320
seen the witnesses went home and he was

1983
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,440
contacted next day through his website

1984
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,199
very very interesting report he went and

1985
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,199
interviewed these guys both separately

1986
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,360
they both gave a very similar detailed

1987
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:05,760
account and i can tell you jim brown is

1988
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,320
a very good researcher he's open-minded

1989
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,960
but very skeptical but he thought that

1990
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,120
these guys were very credible

1991
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,120
and he found no indication they want any

1992
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:17,360
publicity whatsoever so the interesting

1993
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,709
the local group um went up there and um

1994
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,760
i'm trying to think of the name it's um

1995
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:31,679
i'll think about here in a second

1996
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,800
but

1997
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,640
it was a loca one of the local new

1998
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,320
bigfoot groups

1999
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,719
went up to the area

2000
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,480
and um

2001
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,880
anyhow they they staked out the area

2002
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,320
they had been up in that area before

2003
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,080
because there had been a history

2004
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,760
for years

2005
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:49,760
of um

2006
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,360
a bigfoot encounters in that general

2007
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:52,560
area

2008
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:54,159
and

2009
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,640
there's an update report on that

2010
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:04,080
and i'm trying to find it but anyhow

2011
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,000
they're sticking out the area and i

2012
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,000
believe they heard some odd sounds i

2013
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:09,440
don't have the whole report here right

2014
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,880
in front of me yet

2015
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:12,000
um

2016
01:16:20,310 --> 01:16:17,840
saw some several of the witnesses saw

2017
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,320
some very strange lights in the trees a

2018
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,000
low to the ground

2019
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:24,000
so here we go again

2020
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,360
with um

2021
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:27,679
the fact that

2022
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:29,679
you have bigfoot activity and you have

2023
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,800
bigfoot researchers going out

2024
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:34,560
to that area

2025
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,320
and um that's what it is anyhow um

2026
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:39,760
the name of the new group is called the

2027
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,239
pennsylvania crypto society

2028
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,480
and um so they were out there and they

2029
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,080
and they've written up some reports on

2030
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:48,640
it now and several of them saw some very

2031
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:51,440
unusual lights and again very similar to

2032
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,719
what we've been hearing from recent

2033
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:55,600
years of other bigfoot researchers uh

2034
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,360
investigating a bigfoot and seeing

2035
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,000
strange lights instead

2036
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,080
yeah so again we have this ufo

2037
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,400
connection with the bigfoot and you've

2038
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:06,880
seen that how many times a lot of times

2039
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,400
or is it rare or is it very common

2040
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:12,000
uh can you irritate the question i

2041
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,440
missed i'm sorry

2042
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:15,440
what i wanted to say is that here again

2043
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,800
we have the ufo connection to a bigfoot

2044
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,960
sighting and do you see that a lot is

2045
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,120
that very rare or is it very common in

2046
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:24,640
your experience

2047
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,120
well historically again

2048
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,000
very few cases in general most bigfoot

2049
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:31,600
settings have nothing to do with strange

2050
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,520
lights or objects and most ufo sightings

2051
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,520
have nothing to do with bigfoot however

2052
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,520
there is a percentage reports like that

2053
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,440
over the years there have been reports

2054
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,800
throughout the country and many other

2055
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,040
countries as well going back to at least

2056
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,040
early 1970s so it's something that's

2057
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,040
been going on but again as i mentioned

2058
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,280
earlier what i found out is the fact

2059
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,360
that there may be a lot more cases like

2060
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,440
this but many researchers are electing

2061
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,880
to publish it because they're afraid of

2062
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,199
being ridiculed by their peers my

2063
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,520
position is as an investigator i don't

2064
01:18:03,030 --> 01:18:01,440
have the answers this is where the

2065
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:03,040
information is turning up and i'm

2066
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,640
putting it out there for other people to

2067
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,120
look at to learn from and to share and

2068
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:08,480
hopefully if they have information

2069
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,679
they'll let us know about it as well

2070
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,760
laurel you know what i wanted to ask you

2071
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,199
about because it was a case that i

2072
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:17,679
followed really uh closely is this rick

2073
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,320
dyer bigfoot body hoax this is the

2074
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,400
second time this guy is claimed to have

2075
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:24,840
a bigfoot body did you follow that at

2076
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:27,679
all you know i i just basically read

2077
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,880
what i'm reading the internet and what

2078
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,960
i'm hearing i'm i'm so busy dealing with

2079
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,640
just case in pennsylvania that's what i

2080
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,960
generally focus on i like to deal with

2081
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,640
things i have a firsthand knowledge of

2082
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,480
and not second guess

2083
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,560
sure sure well it's unfortunate though

2084
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,400
for everybody that is seriously looking

2085
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,239
into bigfoot that this guy keeps making

2086
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:45,920
up these hoaxes because then people

2087
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,880
think it's all fake and then you know uh

2088
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,719
he tried to make a circus out of it like

2089
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,360
a carnival attraction and it was it was

2090
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:56,400
really just a you know uh

2091
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:02,630
oh yeah and you know you hear the

2092
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,640
stories over the years of things like

2093
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,480
that i mean we've heard stories over the

2094
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,960
years of you know allegedly uh

2095
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,320
people shooting creatures in

2096
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,480
pennsylvania and having bodies hidden

2097
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,239
and you know we fought on

2098
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,520
fought up with some of those over the

2099
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,040
years and we've never been able to come

2100
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:19,360
up with any any case that really had any

2101
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,520
substance to it that i can think of

2102
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,040
yeah that's unfortunate because

2103
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:25,199
obviously if there was a body found that

2104
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:27,040
would be conclusive proof that people

2105
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,560
could study and

2106
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,960
you know we would finally know the truth

2107
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,640
right

2108
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,719
well yeah if we had the body to study

2109
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:36,880
that would definitely uh unlock much of

2110
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,440
the mystery but uh i'm not so sure

2111
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:41,600
that's going to happen anytime soon

2112
01:19:46,030 --> 01:19:43,920
and have you heard the the theory that

2113
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,040
bigfoot could possibly be

2114
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:47,600
gigantopithecus

2115
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,880
like an existing surviving members of

2116
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,719
that species

2117
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,239
oh sure i mean that's been one of the

2118
01:19:58,390 --> 01:19:56,320
longest and oldest theories out there

2119
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,400
and i was subscribing to a lot of that

2120
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:00,159
back for many many years and i thought

2121
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,560
that that could well be a possibility

2122
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:04,400
but then when i when i deal with these

2123
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,800
cases firsthand i interview the people

2124
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,199
in all these cases of 70s and

2125
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,840
cases since then which suggested there's

2126
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,320
more to this we understand and some of

2127
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,400
it is very strange and unusual and i can

2128
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,800
tell you many bigfoot researchers around

2129
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:20,560
the country in the last few years have

2130
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:22,960
contacted me who are aware of stillmore

2131
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,239
case in fact

2132
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:25,840
a number of years ago i was asked to

2133
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:27,679
give a lecture out of mcminnville oregon

2134
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:29,280
and one at the big ufo festival out

2135
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,520
there and i talked about the subject you

2136
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,960
wrote those in bigfoot because i was

2137
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,800
right in the middle of bigfoot country

2138
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:35,520
and

2139
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,920
probably gonna get some negativity you

2140
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,520
know with my presentation and i was

2141
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:45,679
extremely surprised because the response

2142
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,639
was very very positive a lot of key

2143
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:50,400
bigfoot researchers were there heard my

2144
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,239
lecture and some talked to me then

2145
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,080
others contacted me later and they said

2146
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,080
they were so glad that i brought this

2147
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,080
out because the same thing had been

2148
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,159
happening for years in their area they

2149
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:02,000
heard the same reports of disappearing

2150
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:04,080
footprints people shooting these things

2151
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,000
and the creatures disappeared but they

2152
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:08,320
were so reluctant to talk about it

2153
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,679
uh because they're afraid of being

2154
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:11,920
ridiculed so i think there may be a lot

2155
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,280
more out there than we're aware of and

2156
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:17,360
hopefully we'll hear more about it

2157
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:19,600
wow and you know i guess one of the

2158
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:22,239
other things i wanted to ask you is that

2159
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,920
you're right i think like a lot more

2160
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,159
researchers are coming out and saying

2161
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,000
that there could be the possibility that

2162
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:30,639
it is an actual unknown creature out

2163
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,920
there an unknown hominid species

2164
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:35,360
have you heard

2165
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,110
some of the theories about that

2166
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,800
[Music]

2167
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,560
well i i think i'm pretty much hearing

2168
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:42,560
the same species you know around the

2169
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:44,960
same series for years and years but what

2170
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:47,040
i am seeing in more here is the fact

2171
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,480
that more some of the really hardcore

2172
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,280
um bigfoot researchers who are always

2173
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,960
very much convinced that it was unknown

2174
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:57,120
species are beginning to question that

2175
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,320
more and more

2176
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:00,480
just like i have for years and asking

2177
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:02,159
why there's no bodies and they're

2178
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,760
beginning to wonder could there be

2179
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,360
something else involved could there be

2180
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,639
something for a better term

2181
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,120
interdimensional for example

2182
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,400
wow and

2183
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,080
uh the other thing i wanted to ask you

2184
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,080
about because i'm a huge fan of the

2185
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,800
patterson gimlin film do you believe

2186
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,040
that that's real and genuine footage or

2187
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,120
do you believe that's a hoax

2188
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,199
well you know i can only go by what i've

2189
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,199
read for all these years and and i would

2190
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,920
say that of all the bigfoot films that

2191
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:28,960
i've seen

2192
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,320
publicly and non-publicly i'd still say

2193
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:34,960
i would say that that's probably the one

2194
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,120
that is most consistent to me that

2195
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,280
likely is probably real

2196
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,880
the thing that always did it for me was

2197
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:43,040
the breasts like i just don't i don't

2198
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,480
understand if you were going to hoax

2199
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:45,920
something that you would take the time

2200
01:22:50,629 --> 01:22:49,040
to create breasts on a creature

2201
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,639
it doesn't matter yeah well again yeah

2202
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,480
at that time period again you know the

2203
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,960
the technology and what you would have

2204
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:57,199
to have done and of course years later

2205
01:23:01,030 --> 01:22:58,719
now the technology is so much better

2206
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,040
there's a lot more analysis can be done

2207
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,960
so i think there's still a lot of

2208
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:04,560
interest in that film

2209
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,360
and i think that once again i keep open

2210
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:09,600
mind all possibilities but i tend to

2211
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:11,120
believe it's real

2212
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,440
yeah i i i started believing it was real

2213
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:16,080
when i saw the the recent analysis done

2214
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:17,600
that it couldn't have been a guy in a

2215
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,800
suit based on the gate and the walk and

2216
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,560
the swinging of the arms and all these

2217
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,239
different things like they and people

2218
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:26,400
have tried to hoax it people and it just

2219
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,159
looks stupid it looks like a guy in a

2220
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,239
gorilla suit doesn't look anything like

2221
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,159
the creature in the in the actual

2222
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,400
patterson-gimlin film

2223
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,239
oh yeah well that it's very interesting

2224
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,840
but you know i got to go back to the

2225
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,040
sightings just like the one we talked

2226
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,280
about from two weeks ago and many many

2227
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:43,360
of the cases that i have you know so

2228
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,480
many of the bigfoot sightings of

2229
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,719
pennsylvania are daylight sightings and

2230
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:49,199
many of them are extremely close range

2231
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,920
i'm talking within five 10 15 feet of

2232
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:53,440
witnesses and those were mainly case

2233
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,120
where they walked out in front of

2234
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,679
vehicles many in daylight walked out

2235
01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,920
close to people's rural homes mobile

2236
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:01,360
homes and they got a really good look at

2237
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,560
these things

2238
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:04,080
so you know a lot of these people are

2239
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:05,440
seeing these things i mean they're

2240
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:07,360
they're hunters they're people who are

2241
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,520
familiar with the rural with royal

2242
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,920
animals with bear and they know they're

2243
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:13,840
seeing something and the physical

2244
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,280
appearance of what they're describing is

2245
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,120
unlike anything that we're

2246
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,440
that should be out there and so many of

2247
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,440
these are very very detailed accounts

2248
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,800
and they're coming from very credible

2249
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:25,199
people who in so many cases are really

2250
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,719
reluctant even to tell me about what

2251
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,560
they saw i mean they have nothing to

2252
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,719
gain they want no publicity many of them

2253
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,800
are generally frightened and many of

2254
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,880
these people had a life-changing

2255
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,400
experience because so many of these

2256
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,239
people did not believe these things

2257
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:40,080
could exist until they had their own

2258
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,159
encounter well like i said i don't want

2259
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:44,159
to say i saw a bigfoot but i think i had

2260
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,679
it could have been a near encounter i

2261
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,440
don't know what it was that i saw it was

2262
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,000
too far away but later when i started

2263
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:51,840
doing research into this and i and i

2264
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,080
heard similar stories of like rocks

2265
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:55,920
being thrown and i don't mean like

2266
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,159
pebbles like these were like you know

2267
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,560
like bowling ball sized rocks yeah

2268
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,120
thrown right into the right by the fire

2269
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,719
and and i mean i'm in the middle of the

2270
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,639
woods by myself

2271
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,560
scared like you wouldn't believe like

2272
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,560
what the hell just happened i thought

2273
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:12,800
and then i thought well it's somebody

2274
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,639
pranking me there's all kinds of people

2275
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,880
on the appalachian trail then i heard

2276
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:19,199
this knocking and then like i said i

2277
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:21,199
just saw something run and jump in the

2278
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:23,199
brush and it didn't look like an animal

2279
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:24,480
i know

2280
01:25:28,149 --> 01:25:26,320
and i and i continue to hear these

2281
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,159
stories of people telling me about these

2282
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:30,239
huge rocks i mean some that are too

2283
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,480
heavy for a normal human to be able to

2284
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,520
even pick up or throw any distance and

2285
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,040
even the last few years i'm hearing

2286
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,880
accounts like this from from people in

2287
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,560
the woods and in fact people out on

2288
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,199
boats off the shore and something

2289
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:45,360
throwing these huge almost like borders

2290
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,679
at them in the water

2291
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,760
i guess it didn't like you being there

2292
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,440
maybe that's what i thought later if it

2293
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,360
was something you know and maybe it just

2294
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,199
didn't like me in its territory or it's

2295
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,920
a territorial thing something

2296
01:26:04,629 --> 01:25:59,920
it could well be but uh

2297
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,229
and you told me that there's been a

2298
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,400
recent wave in pennsylvania can you tell

2299
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,480
me about the recent wave of activity

2300
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,880
that you've been uh looking into

2301
01:26:16,629 --> 01:26:14,880
well i wouldn't call it a way but it's

2302
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,639
been steady i mean since the first of

2303
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,159
the year

2304
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:20,080
i'm aware of several bigfoot sightings

2305
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:21,440
one of the first

2306
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,239
accounts actually occurred january 1st

2307
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,719
of the year and this was uh

2308
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,080
you know right around the holidays this

2309
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,600
was a fellow who was just passing

2310
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,440
through the area to visit relatives for

2311
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,880
the whole day didn't live around here

2312
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,280
from out of state and he was traveling

2313
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,440
through the area early one morning

2314
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,159
um outside of pittsburgh between

2315
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:42,000
allegheny and westmoreland county in a

2316
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:43,280
rural area

2317
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:44,000
and

2318
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:45,920
the cars in front of him were all moving

2319
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,560
very slow around this bend and they were

2320
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,159
slowing down as their headlights was

2321
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:51,760
hitting something and as he goes around

2322
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:54,639
the bend his headlight hits this huge

2323
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,719
hairy creature with the headlights hid

2324
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,120
first with these two huge glowing red

2325
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:01,360
eyes off the ground and he got a good

2326
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,800
look at this thing he said for only

2327
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:04,800
probably several seconds probably six

2328
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:06,639
six and a half feet tall

2329
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,320
uh gave a detailed description i was

2330
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,400
covered with long hair the glowing eyes

2331
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:12,000
the long arms

2332
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:13,360
and

2333
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,880
he was just amazing he couldn't believe

2334
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:16,960
what he saw and he said other people had

2335
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,400
to seen it because they were slowing

2336
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:20,719
down the watching before him

2337
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,320
wow that's another amazing encounter

2338
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:26,080
yeah and and there have been other

2339
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,679
bigfoot reports including the one

2340
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,080
recently but there's been quite a lot of

2341
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:32,400
ufo activity already this year

2342
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:34,400
uh we've had some of those mystery booms

2343
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,000
being reported in different parts of the

2344
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,159
state where like a localized shaking of

2345
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:40,560
shook homes and pictures off of walls

2346
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:42,080
and homes things like that that's even

2347
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:43,440
been covered on several local news

2348
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:47,199
around here and uh strange formations in

2349
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:50,080
the field uh just a lot of weird stuff

2350
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,520
going on already for this time of the

2351
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:54,000
year yeah i never i never knew before

2352
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:55,679
talking to you so much that there was so

2353
01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:57,840
much strange stuff in my home state of

2354
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,840
pennsylvania you know you don't think

2355
01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:02,080
there's that much weirdness in one state

2356
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,239
but i guess there is there is

2357
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,400
oh yeah and it's again it's historical i

2358
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:08,000
mean it's been going on for years and

2359
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,080
years now you got to remember my hotline

2360
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,800
has been over since 1969. it was only

2361
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,320
one of the only places in the country

2362
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,239
where you could report an incident and

2363
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,360
we would have people actually

2364
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:19,679
investigate it so that hotline has been

2365
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,639
opened and still active since 1969. so

2366
01:28:26,070 --> 01:28:24,719
that may be one reason why we do get

2367
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,080
more reports of some parts of

2368
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,800
pennsylvania but historically there was

2369
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,960
reports going on long before that and

2370
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,800
they continue to be reported to myself

2371
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,719
and other researchers across the state

2372
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,400
all the time

2373
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,239
wow and the other question i really

2374
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,000
wanted to talk to you about or ask you

2375
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:42,639
about is this melba ketchum study she

2376
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:44,080
claims that she's

2377
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,639
that bigfoot is legendary sasquatch is a

2378
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,280
human relative that arose 15 000 years

2379
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:51,679
ago as a hybrid cross of modern homo

2380
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,719
sapiens with an unknown primate species

2381
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:56,480
what do you think of her and her study

2382
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,000
and her claims

2383
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,159
i you know be honest with you i'm aware

2384
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,400
of it i read it i've never met the uh

2385
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,719
the person i i think the studies are

2386
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,239
very interesting

2387
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,400
uh but i really am not going to comment

2388
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:10,480
because i'm not a specialist on that i

2389
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:12,480
haven't really studied in great detail

2390
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,239
i'm too busy just working on cases

2391
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,239
coming in here on a regular basis

2392
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,159
yeah i kind of know how you feel i'm on

2393
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,760
the fence with her she's in my gray

2394
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,239
basket because it seems like it's not

2395
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,560
really a pure published review and

2396
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:25,920
there's no real

2397
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:28,159
she's not providing enough evidence for

2398
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,080
me you know she just is making these

2399
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:32,719
claims like a lot of people in in

2400
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,639
paranormal research they just kind of

2401
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,800
make make up some kind of story and

2402
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:38,400
we're supposed to believe it i want to

2403
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,440
see the data and see the tests that she

2404
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,880
has and

2405
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:44,400
also i want to see some kind of

2406
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,719
prominence for where all these samples

2407
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:49,040
came from

2408
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:51,760
well you know i still get these reports

2409
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:53,520
in i'm still out there investigating as

2410
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,159
often as i can there's many researchers

2411
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,920
and many research groups in pennsylvania

2412
01:30:02,870 --> 01:29:58,800
now

2413
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,880
lot better and and we hear more about

2414
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:05,280
these reports pretty often hopefully you

2415
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,960
know we still may get to one of those

2416
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,400
cases where we get some really good

2417
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,639
physical evidence and you never know

2418
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,159
that next phone call might be the case

2419
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:13,920
that's going to solve the mystery

2420
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:15,600
that's probably what keeps you going

2421
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,719
isn't it

2422
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,560
oh yeah yeah you just never know my

2423
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:20,639
phones ring here day and night i get

2424
01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,760
calls constantly on recent past reports

2425
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,960
and you're always hopeful it's going to

2426
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,400
be that next call that's going to help

2427
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,239
solve one of these mysteries

2428
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,000
yeah it's amazing that you have been

2429
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,159
doing this for this long that's a you've

2430
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,639
had an amazing career looking into this

2431
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,719
stuff i wanted to ask you too because i

2432
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:38,639
saw you do you have a background in like

2433
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:41,280
electronics and things like that as well

2434
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,280
yeah i've worked electronics all my life

2435
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,600
oh okay because that explains like uh

2436
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,280
for my listeners that don't know when

2437
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:49,199
you see stan in an interview i don't

2438
01:30:52,149 --> 01:30:50,400
know if that's your home or your

2439
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:52,159
workshop but it seems like you're

2440
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,239
surrounded by all these electronics and

2441
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:56,639
some of those interviews and radio

2442
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,800
equipment yeah stuff like that

2443
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,719
yeah i've had for years and years that

2444
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:02,960
started back when i had my first group i

2445
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:04,080
have a very

2446
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:05,679
very elaborate radio communication

2447
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:06,960
center in my home and i still have it

2448
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:09,440
today it's a hobby but also was very

2449
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,239
very

2450
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,320
uh something i needed to do when i had

2451
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,480
my groups active and it's still a

2452
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,040
resource for me uh for what what i do

2453
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,440
collecting data and whatever and uh so

2454
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:21,600
i'm still very interested in electronics

2455
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,000
communications and it kind of correlates

2456
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:27,199
with the different research i'm doing

2457
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:28,800
yeah i guess it would help to be able to

2458
01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:31,360
know how to use like geiger counters and

2459
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,440
thermal imaging and that kind of stuff

2460
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:35,280
you use a lot of high-tech stuff in your

2461
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:36,880
in your work don't you

2462
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,120
well you know back in the day back back

2463
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,520
in the 70s when we had the groups i mean

2464
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:43,600
we had some equipment but there was a

2465
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,960
lot of equipment that wasn't available

2466
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:46,480
back in those days and a lot of the guys

2467
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:47,760
in the group the engineers and

2468
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,440
scientists we built a lot of our own

2469
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:50,800
high-tech equipment because you couldn't

2470
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,520
buy it so we made some uh you know some

2471
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:54,880
early

2472
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:56,400
type of equipment that worked pretty

2473
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:59,440
well but we had like we had at times we

2474
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:01,440
had night vision we had radiation

2475
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,239
detection equipment uh metal detectors

2476
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:06,400
magnetic detectors and some of the stuff

2477
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:08,560
we built because we couldn't buy it

2478
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,280
wow that's amazing and did you did you

2479
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,960
ever use the geiger counters and stuff

2480
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:14,400
like that at the at the bigfoot

2481
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:16,000
sightings because i know that a lot of

2482
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,480
people have reported radiation with ufo

2483
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,000
sightings but what about bigfoot has

2484
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:22,480
there ever been radiation reported from

2485
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,080
bigfoot sightings

2486
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,719
i've i've had it out on some cases where

2487
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:29,120
we had a bigfoot ufo sighting

2488
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,520
um i've never come across be honest with

2489
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:34,320
you i have never the thousands of ufo

2490
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:35,679
cases i've been involved with over the

2491
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,719
years and many many investigations uh

2492
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,480
we're landing sites are reported and

2493
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,400
other evidence on the ground i never

2494
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:44,159
found anything other than normal

2495
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,840
background radiation we never had

2496
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:48,159
anything abnormal

2497
01:32:51,830 --> 01:32:49,600
okay okay

2498
01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,840
and so uh you said you've been working

2499
01:32:54,870 --> 01:32:53,679
on these recent cases is there other

2500
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,880
things that you've been working on

2501
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:57,040
besides bigfoot lately

2502
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,120
well yeah as i mentioned there's been

2503
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:01,360
there's a lot of continuous ufo reports

2504
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:02,480
coming in

2505
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:03,360
um

2506
01:33:06,629 --> 01:33:05,040
last year right towards the end of the

2507
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:06,639
year was very active especially

2508
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:08,639
september october with many reports of

2509
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,520
large

2510
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:11,600
triangular boomerang shape shaped

2511
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:14,000
objects being seen one case was very

2512
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,760
interesting it was a daylight sighting

2513
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,600
up in the mountains uh

2514
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,760
and this fella was left around i think

2515
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,679
11 o'clock in the morning beautiful day

2516
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,440
sitting by his window having coffee and

2517
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,520
all of a sudden it got real dark like a

2518
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,679
big dark cloud came over and he opened

2519
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,920
the door and stepped outside and

2520
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:31,520
hovering right above him he's right

2521
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:32,880
underneath this thing about 500 feet

2522
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:35,440
above him it's this huge solid black

2523
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,120
triangular object

2524
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:39,360
making no sound

2525
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:41,920
his dog would refuse to go outside he

2526
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:44,080
had a fully charged

2527
01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:46,560
phone with a camera mode in it he aimed

2528
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:48,400
to take a picture and it completely

2529
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,360
discharged instantly lost all its power

2530
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,120
we've had other reports like that as

2531
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:55,120
well in more recent years where people

2532
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:57,280
tried to take pictures and the camera

2533
01:34:01,110 --> 01:33:58,560
would malfunction when they tried to

2534
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:01,120
take a photograph of the object

2535
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:03,120
wow i've i've been hearing a lot more

2536
01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:05,920
reports of these black triangles myself

2537
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,440
do you

2538
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,600
commonly people call are calling it a

2539
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,760
tr-3b or something like that do you

2540
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:13,440
think it's a government project or you

2541
01:34:16,629 --> 01:34:15,280
think it's interstellar or what do you

2542
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,639
think those are

2543
01:34:20,229 --> 01:34:18,400
you know i've been getting reports on

2544
01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:20,239
these big triangles i'm going back to i

2545
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,199
believe the east of 1970s they see them

2546
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,600
for years and years you know in the last

2547
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:27,040
20 or some years they're getting more

2548
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:28,719
and more reports of these things being

2549
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:29,600
seen

2550
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,080
you know my feeling is that yes on

2551
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,320
occasion there may be some type of a

2552
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:36,800
black project some type of experimental

2553
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:39,120
aircraft passing through pennsylvania

2554
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:40,719
but you know they they have hundreds of

2555
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:42,800
miles of restricted airspace in other

2556
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:44,480
parts of the country where they can test

2557
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,360
fly these objects there are way too many

2558
01:34:51,109 --> 01:34:49,600
sightings over populated areas you know

2559
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:51,119
sightings over

2560
01:34:55,590 --> 01:34:52,880
major cities on the pennsylvania

2561
01:34:57,990 --> 01:34:55,600
turnpike hovering over people's yards

2562
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,000
over over top of people at low level

2563
01:35:02,470 --> 01:35:00,719
there's no way in my mind that i can

2564
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:02,480
conceive that the government is letting

2565
01:35:05,830 --> 01:35:04,639
these very large secrets of objects

2566
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:05,840
being seen

2567
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,560
on a regular basis and take a chance of

2568
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,560
something like this being uh you know

2569
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,400
falling to the ground or some accident

2570
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:14,719
it just doesn't make any sense yeah i

2571
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:16,400
tend to agree with you i think if they

2572
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,719
were going to test an object or some

2573
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:20,880
kind of exotic aircraft they wouldn't be

2574
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,199
doing it over populated areas or major

2575
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:25,520
cities but one thing that i come back to

2576
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,119
time and time again is i talk to

2577
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:29,920
somebody again this person's off the

2578
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,080
record but he told me that

2579
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:33,840
if the american people knew how many

2580
01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,639
drones were in the united states sky it

2581
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,800
would make the snowden revelations look

2582
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,159
timid

2583
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,080
oh yeah that's a very possible i mean

2584
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,080
i've i've been getting reports released

2585
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,480
the last couple years of different types

2586
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:48,480
of drones being reported as ufos around

2587
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:51,280
the pittsburgh area so

2588
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,800
i believe that uh there are there are

2589
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:54,480
some trolls out there being flown around

2590
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,320
by probably different uh at different

2591
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:58,080
levels

2592
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:59,199
yeah so i

2593
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,040
you know some of the reports of the ufos

2594
01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:03,119
i think are government projects that

2595
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:05,040
they don't want to acknowledge or these

2596
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:06,080
drones

2597
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:07,199
that they

2598
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,239
and the other thing i always come back

2599
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:12,159
to is the blackbird and the stealth

2600
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:13,840
aircraft

2601
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,880
that's 1970s technology that we got to

2602
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:19,040
learn about 30 years later so it makes

2603
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:21,040
me wonder what do they have right now

2604
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,199
that we don't know about

2605
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,520
oh yeah well you know you hear all kind

2606
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,440
of stories out there and i have no doubt

2607
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,440
over the years i'm sure in some

2608
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:31,040
situations it could will have been a

2609
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:32,320
government project some type of

2610
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,600
experimental crap that people saw but if

2611
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,600
you know if you go to the detail of some

2612
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:39,520
of the ufo case i investigated which

2613
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,159
have been very detailed daylight large

2614
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,880
structured craft sometimes some type of

2615
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,880
interaction with the environment

2616
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:49,600
sometimes landings on the ground

2617
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:51,679
and back you know in the 60s and 70s

2618
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,199
you've got a lot of reports of landings

2619
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,600
and and sometimes occupants or small

2620
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,280
humanoid creatures being seen with some

2621
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,679
of these crafts so some of them are very

2622
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,360
interesting

2623
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:03,679
yeah and i guess i would be remiss if i

2624
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,320
didn't ask you about my favorite case of

2625
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:09,040
ufos ever i know we did that whole show

2626
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,199
on uh kecksburg

2627
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,080
and my listeners uh i had so many emails

2628
01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:16,320
about that looking into it and wanting

2629
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:18,400
more information so i sent them links to

2630
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,080
some of your some of the stuff on

2631
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,920
youtube but has there been any new

2632
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:24,639
developments lately or any new evidence

2633
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,760
in the case

2634
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,600
well in the last you know last year was

2635
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:29,520
the 50th anniversary

2636
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,880
and

2637
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,119
we i did get some very interesting new

2638
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:35,040
leads on the case one was a military

2639
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,320
source which

2640
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,400
pretty much has indicated to me that

2641
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,639
this was a legitimate source

2642
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,119
um i know there was some other people

2643
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,360
who after 50 years broke their silence

2644
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,880
and gave me some very interesting

2645
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,520
information which suggested which i've

2646
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:51,760
heard for years that you know back at

2647
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:53,679
the time in 65 when this happened now

2648
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:54,719
you know you gotta remember there were

2649
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:57,040
hundreds of people involved in this case

2650
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,719
i mean we don't even know how many

2651
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,239
witnesses i've interviewed hundreds of

2652
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:02,400
people over the years but there were

2653
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:04,480
many people came to the scene that that

2654
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,239
day after hearing all the news uh

2655
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:08,000
breaking about a ufo falling from the

2656
01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,000
sky their kecksburg pa and then the

2657
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,840
military arriving on the scene the area

2658
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:13,280
being cordoned off

2659
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,000
so

2660
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,600
there's no way the government could have

2661
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,360
known at that time all the people who

2662
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:19,199
were involved but it may well have been

2663
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,360
for what we know that they didn't get

2664
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,440
the certain individuals around the area

2665
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:25,119
for whatever reason

2666
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:27,280
and apparently you know some people

2667
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:28,639
there may have been some threats to

2668
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:29,840
people to keep their mouth shut and

2669
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,600
that's what i've heard from some pretty

2670
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,600
good sources now over the years but the

2671
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:35,760
majority people think i've never gotten

2672
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,040
to because they couldn't have known who

2673
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:39,520
they were and a lot of these people even

2674
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:41,040
today the majority of people i've

2675
01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,080
interviewed

2676
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,480
have never gone public and then some

2677
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,000
others have gone public and many

2678
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:47,840
unfortunately are now deceased

2679
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:49,040
but um

2680
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:50,800
there is no doubt whatsoever that

2681
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:53,280
something fell from the sky whatever it

2682
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,719
was it was important enough for the

2683
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:56,639
military to respond very quickly to the

2684
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,360
scene they recovered the object it was

2685
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,520
taken out in a large military flat that

2686
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,840
tractor trailer with a tarp on it around

2687
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,520
one o'clock in the morning the next

2688
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:07,679
morning and we know it went to lockport

2689
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,480
air force base near columbus ohio

2690
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,639
and what i got from sources who were at

2691
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,480
the base and now i have independent

2692
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,520
sources um who all confirm this they're

2693
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,639
different stories and none of these

2694
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:20,239
people know each other as far as i know

2695
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,760
and i'm pretty certain they never did

2696
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,040
know each other

2697
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:25,520
and um they all confirmed that they went

2698
01:39:30,310 --> 01:39:28,400
through a a gate not normally used at

2699
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,320
the base during the early morning hours

2700
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,159
they backed the flat that truck with the

2701
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:34,320
object into a hangar they set up a

2702
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,480
security perimeter they were given a

2703
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:38,960
shoot to kill order do anybody approach

2704
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:41,600
that hanger without the proper

2705
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:43,119
security level

2706
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,000
and

2707
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,520
then it didn't stay in the base much

2708
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,880
longer and continue on to wright

2709
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:48,800
patterson air force base and then later

2710
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,920
others who fought at the base contacted

2711
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,280
me and told me exactly what building

2712
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:55,679
they took it to and it was not anger 18

2713
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,159
that you hear about a lot on television

2714
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,719
wow and these new these news sources

2715
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,880
like you mentioned one from military

2716
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,320
sources there have been

2717
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,960
new revelations or or new information

2718
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,880
about what you know what it might have

2719
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,480
been

2720
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:13,280
i can't say new revelations but

2721
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:16,159
gave me enough detail to confirm

2722
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:18,960
that this person was directly involved

2723
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:21,280
i was able to confirm what other people

2724
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,560
had told me

2725
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:24,400
and was able to give me some detailed

2726
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,159
information what took place at the scene

2727
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,880
which i already had known about but even

2728
01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:30,719
that person i told him some things later

2729
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,320
after he talked to me that he didn't

2730
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:34,080
know about and it confirmed a part of

2731
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:35,760
his story so

2732
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,159
i believe that it just adds more and

2733
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:40,239
more information to the account

2734
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,840
wow that's amazing and uh i i guess the

2735
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:45,840
the other question that i would ask you

2736
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:47,760
about is

2737
01:40:52,149 --> 01:40:48,480
where

2738
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:52,159
case from here do you think it'll ever

2739
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:53,679
be solved

2740
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:54,960
well you know

2741
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,119
you're i'm hopeful that you know

2742
01:41:02,229 --> 01:40:59,760
somebody out there is still living that

2743
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,239
may have the evidence and close the case

2744
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,480
i mean i have heard for years and years

2745
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,239
and i've talked to people over the years

2746
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,360
who told me that many years ago they saw

2747
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,880
black and white photographs of the

2748
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,560
object down in the woods that were taken

2749
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:14,560
that day none of those pictures have

2750
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:15,920
ever surfaced

2751
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,800
rumors continue for years that some

2752
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,040
families in this area have the pictures

2753
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:23,119
but for whatever reason they've refused

2754
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,119
to release them and we're just really

2755
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:27,119
hopeful that you know maybe the next

2756
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,280
generation of the family you know

2757
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,119
knowing what's going on now will will

2758
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,119
bring those pictures forward because

2759
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,639
those pictures could help solve the

2760
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,679
mystery

2761
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:37,280
yeah that's pretty frustrating to me

2762
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,119
that to know that sitting in somebody's

2763
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:41,520
attic or junk drawer could be a roll of

2764
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:43,520
film that could solve the whole mystery

2765
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,600
because if we had pictures we could rule

2766
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:47,600
out a lot of things i mean i don't know

2767
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,280
if we could confirm it was alien

2768
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:51,600
spacecraft from photos but we could say

2769
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:54,560
it's not a satellite or something

2770
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:56,000
that's right it would help to determine

2771
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,199
if it was something man-made or

2772
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:59,199
something extraterrestrial

2773
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:02,320
wow and so

2774
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,320
you keep looking into this into the

2775
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:06,000
bigfoot cases

2776
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,440
you said that you're leaning towards

2777
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,119
it's something interdimensional you

2778
01:42:13,830 --> 01:42:11,440
don't believe that it's just a a

2779
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:13,840
creature that's unknown out in the woods

2780
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:17,199
an organic regular creature

2781
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:18,800
well you know like i said i have to keep

2782
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,600
an open mind all possibilities and

2783
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:23,199
you know could there be more than one

2784
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:25,280
species maybe maybe we're dealing more

2785
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,280
than one thing but i've seen more and

2786
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:29,280
more enough in different patterns and

2787
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,800
different cases and even with other

2788
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,440
cryptids now which suggests to me that

2789
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,440
what we're dealing with has a physical

2790
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:37,360
and a non-physical component to it which

2791
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,320
is

2792
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:40,239
yeah some of the cases i've talked about

2793
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,520
and there's others i haven't told you

2794
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,199
know we haven't talked about on the air

2795
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,280
which again suggests that these some

2796
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:46,960
cases these things appear to be other

2797
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:49,119
than a normal flesh and blood animal

2798
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:51,920
um i keep an open mind all possibilities

2799
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,920
but i think we need to keep an open mind

2800
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,360
and look into all the different aspects

2801
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:56,880
of the phenomena

2802
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:57,600
and

2803
01:43:03,430 --> 01:43:01,600
don't know if you've heard this but

2804
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,440
what do you think of these theories that

2805
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,119
there's some kind of interdimensional

2806
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:07,760
gateway and what people are seeing is

2807
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,560
sort of like a missing link or like a

2808
01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:12,960
you know some kind of a pre-human

2809
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:15,600
creature from thousands of years ago

2810
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,600
and i don't know like i've heard people

2811
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:19,840
say that like you know worlds

2812
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:22,719
are colliding or another time is being

2813
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,719
viewed by these people when they see

2814
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,880
these things

2815
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,960
well again there are so many theories

2816
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:31,040
out there and what some people have told

2817
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,560
me is that especially up along the

2818
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,239
chestnut ridge where so many settings

2819
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,400
occur they swear they've seen something

2820
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:38,800
like sometimes before text or some type

2821
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,800
of like a doorway open

2822
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:43,119
and you know the speculating that maybe

2823
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:44,719
these things come in and out of that

2824
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:47,760
opening one thing i discovered years ago

2825
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:50,560
and i continue to see this is that many

2826
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,119
low-level ufo encounters

2827
01:43:58,790 --> 01:43:55,920
many close-range bigfoot sightings many

2828
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,800
other krypton crypt encounters occur in

2829
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:01,920
the vicinity of high-energy sources so

2830
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,719
they occur close by the power plants

2831
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:07,440
high tension power lines gas wells gas

2832
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:08,480
lines

2833
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:09,600
uh

2834
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:12,880
windmill farms now railroad tracks water

2835
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,679
reservoirs in areas of energy i believe

2836
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:18,000
for a long time there's a direct energy

2837
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:19,520
connection related to a lot of these

2838
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,280
phenomena

2839
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,440
yeah that could be uh that could be

2840
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:25,440
that's interesting to find that kind of

2841
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,920
information because the data speaks

2842
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:30,000
volumes i think more than some of the

2843
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:33,760
first-hand accounts and stories that you

2844
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,760
oh yeah well you know that's the whole

2845
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:37,440
thing you know like i said you know i

2846
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:39,040
have a lot of scientists and research

2847
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,880
people who are very skeptical of these

2848
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,119
reports and again i have never seen one

2849
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:45,119
personally but i've seen the evidence

2850
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,320
but after they spent years out some of

2851
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:49,760
these guys spent years with me out in

2852
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,320
the field they came in very skeptical

2853
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:54,800
but as they had the opportunity to get

2854
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:57,280
to the scene they saw the evidence at

2855
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,679
the scene they interviewed the witnesses

2856
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,480
they began over a period of time to see

2857
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,800
the different patterns of the phenomena

2858
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,880
they began to realize that there is

2859
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,719
something going on here all these people

2860
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:10,880
can't be wrong

2861
01:45:14,790 --> 01:45:13,119
yeah i think there's just so many and

2862
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:14,800
and the thing that always gets me about

2863
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,040
the bigfoot stories is that it's not a

2864
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:19,119
recent phenomenon it's like it's not

2865
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,760
like this started in the 1960s i have

2866
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,000
some newspaper articles that are like

2867
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:26,880
from the 1800s about about things like

2868
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:28,239
this

2869
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:30,320
exactly that's what i'm saying it's i

2870
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:31,920
mean the native americans have talked

2871
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,960
about it

2872
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:34,400
it's in the papers like you said from

2873
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:36,880
the 1800s they talk about seeing hairy

2874
01:45:41,430 --> 01:45:38,560
giants in the woods and big footprints

2875
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,440
in the woods it's a long historical

2876
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:43,600
phenomena the earliest first-hand

2877
01:45:47,109 --> 01:45:45,199
account that i have of a bigfoot

2878
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:47,119
encounter it's very detailed goes back

2879
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:50,000
to 1931 and of course where that's from

2880
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:53,040
fayette county so again that those areas

2881
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,719
have a lot of history of weird things

2882
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:56,080
going on

2883
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:56,960
wow

2884
01:46:01,669 --> 01:45:59,280
and and again with the with it's such a

2885
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,679
mystery and it's it's it's really kind

2886
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:03,600
of entertaining to keep looking into it

2887
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:05,600
and i keep going back to it when i hear

2888
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:08,159
some new report or news stories is that

2889
01:46:11,350 --> 01:46:09,679
what keeps you interested just the

2890
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:11,360
mystery of it

2891
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,360
well it is a mystery i i've been doing

2892
01:46:17,350 --> 01:46:15,840
this now it's been a lifetime interest a

2893
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:17,360
lifetime pursuit

2894
01:46:21,430 --> 01:46:19,840
and the reports continue to come in you

2895
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:21,440
know if you went for two three four

2896
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:23,679
years and there's no reports coming in

2897
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,440
and nothing new is happening but it's

2898
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,440
ongoing it's all year round i get

2899
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:29,840
reports all year round all hours in a

2900
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:31,760
day and night in all type of weather

2901
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:33,920
conditions from all types of people you

2902
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:35,920
know people call me police officers i've

2903
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,239
interviewed commercial military pilot

2904
01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:40,800
air traffic controllers state troopers

2905
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:43,760
farmers doctors nurses children i mean

2906
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:46,159
all kinds of people and i'm telling you

2907
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:47,520
i look at some of these people some of

2908
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,280
these people have tears in their eyes

2909
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:51,440
they're so reluctant to talk about it

2910
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:53,119
some of them were petrified and scared

2911
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,119
to talk to hunters and spend years out

2912
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:56,880
in the woods and after having a bigfoot

2913
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,080
encounter would never go back in the

2914
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,480
woods again people have life-changing

2915
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:03,119
experiences and once again so many of

2916
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,119
these people were non-believers so they

2917
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,960
had their own encounter and they they

2918
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,880
have trouble dealing with it

2919
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,880
yeah you know i always think this too

2920
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,239
like if somebody's trying to write a

2921
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:14,159
book or sell something and they come up

2922
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:16,000
with this story that's one thing but so

2923
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:17,760
many of these people don't want anything

2924
01:47:22,390 --> 01:47:19,679
i mean they don't what possible benefit

2925
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,400
could they have besides being ridiculed

2926
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:24,480
to come forward with a story like this

2927
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:25,520
you know

2928
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:28,159
exactly exactly and i mean over the

2929
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,320
years i mean i remember years ago i had

2930
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:32,480
i had a group of commercial pilots and

2931
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:35,199
met with me privately they all had very

2932
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,119
close range encounters with ufos while

2933
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:38,800
they were flying and they were all

2934
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:40,159
reluctant to

2935
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:41,520
file an official report because they

2936
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,800
didn't want to lose their jobs and they

2937
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,119
all knew what they saw i mean they had

2938
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,600
no motive to make up these stories

2939
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,440
yeah it's unfortunate but i've heard

2940
01:47:53,109 --> 01:47:51,360
that time and time again that especially

2941
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:53,119
commercial pilots like they'll just get

2942
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,159
grounded if they tell the story so they

2943
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,159
just keep it to themselves you know

2944
01:48:01,530 --> 01:47:59,600
maybe until they're retired and then

2945
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:01,540
they tell people what they saw

2946
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:02,960
[Music]

2947
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:05,600
yeah and you know now again you know not

2948
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,880
that you can believe everything on the

2949
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:08,400
internet but now you've got a lot more

2950
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:10,159
resources you see what's going on around

2951
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:12,320
the world i mean every day there's more

2952
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:14,239
reports coming in from around the world

2953
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,760
and some of these stories are very

2954
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,960
interesting

2955
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,480
some of them are going to be skeptical

2956
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,320
about but it just shows you we're

2957
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:22,560
dealing with an ongoing phenomena with

2958
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:24,960
ufos and bigfoot encrypted and it's

2959
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:27,760
unending it's always going on

2960
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,360
yeah yeah and and it sure keeps you busy

2961
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:33,040
you've been you told me you've been busy

2962
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:34,560
lately right

2963
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:36,320
it's it's all the time and like i said

2964
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:38,480
this year's just been steady since the

2965
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,080
first day of the year and it's just been

2966
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,400
steady with reports coming in

2967
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,239
well i can't thank you enough for taking

2968
01:48:48,470 --> 01:48:46,400
the time to talk to us again

2969
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,480
about bigfoot it's been an honor and a

2970
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,639
privilege to talk to you you're my

2971
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,440
favorite home state researcher yeah and

2972
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:54,960
i should mention for the benefit of my

2973
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:56,960
listeners that stan gives some amazing

2974
01:49:02,149 --> 01:48:59,760
lectures on bigfoot and the kecksburg

2975
01:49:04,149 --> 01:49:02,159
incident and ufos and the paranormal in

2976
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:04,159
general and again if you're interested

2977
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,159
in this subject make sure you visit his

2978
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:08,960
website at stan gordon.info because he

2979
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,800
has some amazing books on the subject

2980
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,480
and he'll autograph them for you on

2981
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,080
request

2982
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,639
that's right and um anyhow let's keep

2983
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,239
checking the website for updates on

2984
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,040
citing reports and events coming up

2985
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,119
okay great thanks dan i appreciate you

2986
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:25,280
taking the time to talk to us now we

2987
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,310
well my friends that music means

2988
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:37,040
that our time is once again running

2989
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:37,920
short

2990
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,800
here on the midnight hour show

2991
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:43,920
i want to thank you sincerely for taking

2992
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:45,599
the time to join us

2993
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:48,560
for another night of incredible

2994
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:50,320
mysteries

2995
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:53,040
i also want to once again thank my guest

2996
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:54,080
tonight

2997
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:57,360
mr stan gordon you can visit his website

2998
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,679
at stan gordon dot info

2999
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:02,239
to get information on his books lectures

3000
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,280
and more

3001
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:05,760
and i encourage you to do that

3002
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:07,920
as for me here on our show a lot of

3003
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:10,480
people have been uh trying to

3004
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,080
contact me uh to be possible guests or

3005
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:16,880
to send me some documents or pictures of

3006
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:20,080
ufos or strange creatures

3007
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:22,239
and i wanted to just mention that really

3008
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:24,159
the best way to get a hold of me is to

3009
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,000
our facebook page

3010
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,159
just search for the midnight hour or the

3011
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:30,400
midnight hour show on facebook and you

3012
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:32,560
will find our new facebook page please

3013
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,400
do like our page

3014
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:36,080
and if you want to send me a message you

3015
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:37,840
can do it through there that's probably

3016
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,480
the best way to reach me

3017
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,719
or you could reach my consulting

3018
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:45,040
producer also through there

3019
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:47,360
mr richard charles who i'd also like to

3020
01:50:53,830 --> 01:50:51,360
thank for his help on the show

3021
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,840
and a lot of people have been asking

3022
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,400
what's in store what's next for the

3023
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,400
midnight hour show

3024
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,719
well i have to be honest

3025
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,320
you know i mentioned this before but

3026
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,320
when we started this show we're still in

3027
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,480
pilot mode here we're still producing

3028
01:51:11,430 --> 01:51:08,560
pilot episodes and we'll continue to do

3029
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,440
so for just a little bit longer but i'm

3030
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,520
happy to say that we've been working

3031
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:15,679
really hard on getting

3032
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:16,719
more

3033
01:51:23,109 --> 01:51:20,000
widespread distribution in an easier

3034
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:23,119
format i mean i'm one to think that

3035
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,000
where we're at now is everybody can find

3036
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,800
it but in order to spread

3037
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:30,800
our show and

3038
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,760
reach a greater audience of course we're

3039
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,360
looking at all these different new

3040
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:37,119
platforms and we're putting a lot of

3041
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:38,880
things in place

3042
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:42,159
that will vastly vastly increase

3043
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:45,440
our listener base and our ease of you

3044
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,320
know the ease at which you would find us

3045
01:51:52,790 --> 01:51:50,560
if you just google us on the internet so

3046
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:52,800
we're working really hard on that and

3047
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:58,629
and you know i also have to say that

3048
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:00,960
every once in a while somebody asked me

3049
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,360
why aren't you on so-and-so network or

3050
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:05,920
so-and-so network and the truth is we

3051
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,560
reached out to a bunch of those networks

3052
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:11,440
after producing just a few episodes

3053
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,280
and the initial reaction we got was

3054
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:15,679
complete and total rejection and that's

3055
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:19,119
sad but the news is not all bad

3056
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,960
and listen i had a conversation with a

3057
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:22,719
few of these organizations and one of

3058
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:24,480
them was very reasonable and that's the

3059
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,880
one that i want to be on and we're still

3060
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,480
trying to work it out

3061
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,400
but some of these other organizations

3062
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:32,239
i'm just sure i don't want to be a part

3063
01:52:36,709 --> 01:52:33,599
of honestly

3064
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:36,719
i they have hosts that had 100 or 200

3065
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:39,040
listens and years of their stuff being

3066
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,480
on the internet

3067
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:42,400
and they had attitudes towards me and

3068
01:52:45,750 --> 01:52:44,239
told me everything that i was doing

3069
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:45,760
wrong and why

3070
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:48,400
my show would not be a good fit and why

3071
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,199
my show will never work and why

3072
01:52:55,189 --> 01:52:53,599
i can't be a part of their prestigious

3073
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:55,199
organization

3074
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,320
it's a joke folks it's a total joke and

3075
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,840
everybody is putting on airs and

3076
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:01,679
pretending to be something they're not

3077
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:04,480
and this is not new to me man i came up

3078
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,400
in the entertainment field like you

3079
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,800
think i haven't seen people who made

3080
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:09,840
their whole

3081
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:10,800
you know

3082
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:13,840
image out of [\h__\h] before like that

3083
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,719
that is not new to me that is not new to

3084
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:18,960
me but the difference here the

3085
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:22,560
difference here is that you could see

3086
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,639
the difference between

3087
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,800
somebody who just made up their image

3088
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:29,360
out of [\h__\h] and somebody who's doing

3089
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:30,239
well

3090
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,880
because numbers do not lie

3091
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:34,800
math doesn't lie

3092
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:38,320
okay this is maybe it's 21st century

3093
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:41,920
form of radio or audio entertainment but

3094
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:44,320
it's still just like radio back in the

3095
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,320
old days

3096
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,400
ratings see that's what some of these

3097
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,639
organizations didn't want to talk about

3098
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:52,639
because you know we really thought the

3099
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:54,719
way for us to go was to become a part of

3100
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,199
some existing organization like this but

3101
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,040
there was one in particular that talked

3102
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:01,360
to me like i was a complete and total

3103
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,320
idiot

3104
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,159
they treated me

3105
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:06,639
horribly they talked down to me they

3106
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,119
were insulting they told me my show

3107
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:11,520
would never work and here's all the

3108
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:13,119
things you're doing wrong and all these

3109
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,159
things

3110
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,320
and i don't know but you know after

3111
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,080
getting completely and totally rejected

3112
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:20,000
by them i wanted to i looked into them a

3113
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,599
little more you know because i thought

3114
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,599
you know maybe they're right maybe i'm

3115
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:25,760
not doing good enough to be a part of

3116
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,400
their thing i'm you know and i started

3117
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:30,719
doubting myself but then i looked into

3118
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:33,119
their numbers the numbers folks the

3119
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:34,840
numbers don't lie

3120
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:38,880
because i think they have 10 or 12 hosts

3121
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,800
that have shows that have been going on

3122
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,480
for years and years and years so there

3123
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:44,320
are existing shows

3124
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:45,280
with

3125
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:47,360
i would i would have assumed had some

3126
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:48,960
kind of built-in listener base because

3127
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:50,239
those shows have been going for years

3128
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,679
and years and years

3129
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:53,920
but then i looked at you know let's take

3130
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:56,159
one month like let's take a month that i

3131
01:55:01,030 --> 01:54:59,040
released a show and let's uh

3132
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:01,040
you know look at all the shows that

3133
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,719
their hosts released

3134
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:04,719
and what we found is

3135
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:06,159
you could add up

3136
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,679
the listens or the ratings from 10 or 12

3137
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:12,239
of their hosts all the hosts on in their

3138
01:55:17,510 --> 01:55:15,040
organization for one episode and around

3139
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:17,520
the same time frame i had an episode

3140
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,239
and my one episode beat all 10 or 12 of

3141
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:22,639
their hosts added together

3142
01:55:27,189 --> 01:55:24,480
and you know it's just this kind of

3143
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,199
stuff just drives me crazy like this is

3144
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:29,280
the this is an organization that's going

3145
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,560
to treat me

3146
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:32,560
so terribly that's going to talk down to

3147
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,480
me like they're experts and how to do

3148
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,159
this and i'm an idiot and i don't know

3149
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:38,320
what i'm doing and i'm never you know

3150
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:40,560
what i'm doing is never going to work

3151
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:42,800
then somebody needs to explain to me why

3152
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:45,920
i'm beating 10 or 12 of their hosts on a

3153
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:48,000
per episode basis they can add up all 10

3154
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,679
or 12 of their hosts and i still beat

3155
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,679
their numbers by myself i don't

3156
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,520
understand it folks

3157
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,960
and you know what i'm just not going to

3158
01:55:59,669 --> 01:55:57,119
try to understand it we're going to keep

3159
01:56:02,390 --> 01:55:59,679
going and doing what we do and doing it

3160
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,400
well and you know folks i had an

3161
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:05,040
incredible mentor some time ago

3162
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:08,239
who sadly has passed on but he had an

3163
01:56:12,790 --> 01:56:10,159
incredible saying that i will always

3164
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,800
remember and i think it's relevant here

3165
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:15,119
he used to tell me over and over again

3166
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:17,440
it's always best to be the lion son it's

3167
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:20,560
always best be a lion and eventually i

3168
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,000
asked him what he meant because i just

3169
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,599
didn't get it

3170
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,760
then he told me why it's always best to

3171
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,199
be the lion

3172
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:29,840
because a lion does not ask permission

3173
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,040
to win

3174
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:33,679
a lion always wins because that's just

3175
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:35,840
in the nature of the lion

3176
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:38,320
the lion does not ask the permission of

3177
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,080
the sheep to win a fight with a sheep he

3178
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:44,639
just kills them and eats them because

3179
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:45,840
that

3180
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,599
is the nature of a lion a lion just

3181
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:51,920
always wins

3182
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:54,239
i gotta tell you folks that he was the

3183
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,760
best teacher mentor and friend in the

3184
01:57:02,790 --> 01:56:59,920
entertainment field that i've ever had

3185
01:57:04,870 --> 01:57:02,800
in my entire life and i miss him with my

3186
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:04,880
entire heart and soul

3187
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,320
and every once in a while when i'm

3188
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:08,400
feeling a little bit too challenged or

3189
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,560
feeling down or beaten up or that the

3190
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:13,199
odds are really stacked against me

3191
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:14,800
i just remember him and some of the

3192
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:16,639
things that he taught me and i smiled to

3193
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:17,760
myself

3194
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:21,280
and i remember to always be the lion and

3195
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:22,960
that my friends is kind of where we're

3196
01:57:27,750 --> 01:57:25,360
at right now and you know what

3197
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:27,760
i'm really good with that and though i'm

3198
01:57:31,750 --> 01:57:30,000
still a little bit in fight mode mostly

3199
01:57:34,229 --> 01:57:31,760
i'm in gratitude mode

3200
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,239
and i want to thank you all you guys

3201
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,920
that keep on tuning in they keep on

3202
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:37,360
encouraging me

3203
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:39,679
sending me information helping me get

3204
01:57:44,310 --> 01:57:41,440
new new guests

3205
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:44,320
and especially my new consulting

3206
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:46,480
producer richard charles who's largely

3207
01:57:50,629 --> 01:57:48,880
responsible for the success of this show

3208
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:50,639
man i'm feeling you know somebody asked

3209
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:53,520
me do you feel vindicated not really i

3210
01:57:58,870 --> 01:57:55,760
don't understand it that's how i feel

3211
01:58:01,510 --> 01:57:58,880
but mostly i feel gratitude towards all

3212
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,520
my new friends and listeners who are

3213
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:03,360
tuning in and supporting us and i want

3214
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,080
to sincerely thank you for that coming

3215
01:58:11,430 --> 01:58:08,400
up we've got some incredible shows and i

3216
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,440
hope that you will join us again for the

3217
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:13,119
midnight hour

3218
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:16,159
i'm stephen cambion also known as the

3219
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:17,360
mystery man

3220
01:58:23,189 --> 01:58:20,560
your host here on the midnight hour

3221
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:23,199
thanking you for tuning in and reminding

3222
01:58:27,030 --> 01:58:24,320
you

3223
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:27,040
life

3224
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:29,040
when you feel

3225
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,280
that there are just too many tremendous

3226
01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:34,000
challenges ahead of you

3227
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:37,360
when you feel like you just don't know

3228
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:40,960
the right road to take

3229
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:43,440
when you feel like the entire world has

3230
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:46,320
told you you're gonna lose

3231
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:48,880
when the whole world it seems has

3232
01:58:52,950 --> 01:58:50,880
counted you out

3233
01:58:54,470 --> 01:58:52,960
don't let that affect you

3234
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:54,480
shake it off

3235
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:56,320
smile to yourself

3236
01:59:01,750 --> 01:58:59,760
and remember remember my friends

3237
01:59:03,189 --> 01:59:01,760
to always

3238
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:03,199
always

3239
01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:04,159
be

3240
01:59:08,629 --> 01:59:05,920
the lion

3241
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:08,639
you'll be glad you did

3242
01:59:15,550 --> 01:59:12,320
till next time folks i'm stephen campion

3243
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:15,560
good night